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Sooperhoop said:
There probably were deaths classified as 'Pneumonia' rather than the virus which hadn't been identified at that point, it only provoked panic once it was out of control in China...
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Yeah, possibly. It still didn’t lead to ‘excess deaths’ until much later though. Perhaps it was here but in tiny numbers. Although half a dozen people on here, which is a pretty small pool, felt that they and family members had it ages ago. All very odd.
 
qprbeth said:
Yes ... absolutely, you are right. I did not know that.

Alcoholic beverages contain not only alcohol but also numerous other substances (i.e., con-
geners) that may contribute to the beverages physiological effects. Plants used to produce
alcoholic beverages contain estrogenlike substances (i.e., phytoestrogens). Observations that
men with alcoholic cirrhosis often show testicular failure and symptoms of feminization have
suggested that alcoholic beverages may contain biologically active phytoestrogens as con-
geners. Biochemical analyses have identified several phytoestrogens in the congeners of
bourbon, beer, and wine. Studies using subjects who produced no estrogen themselves (i.e.,
rats whose ovaries had been removed and postmenopausal women) demonstrated that phyto-
estrogens in alcoholic beverage congeners exerted estrogenlike effects in both animals and
humans. Those effects were observed even at moderate drinking levels.

It is even more effective in women (obviously).

Alcohol can change the way a woman's body metabolizes estrogen (how estrogen works in the body). This can cause blood estrogen levels to rise. Estrogen levels are higher in women who drink alcohol than in non-drinkers . These higher estrogen levels may in turn, increase the risk of breast cancer (so not all good news)

I am off to have a bevy
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Beth, glad I'm doing somethings correct.
 
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sb_73 said:
Yeah, possibly. It still didn’t lead to ‘excess deaths’ until much later though. Perhaps it was here but in tiny numbers. Although half a dozen people on here, which is a pretty small pool, felt that they and family members had it ages ago. All very odd.
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My missus definitely had the classic early symptoms around New Year, her cough was unlike anything she'd had before for about five days but passed without further problem. I had it milder just after her and I am prone to coughs but it passed as well. Roll on an antibody test...
 
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sb_73 said:
Yeah, possibly. It still didn’t lead to ‘excess deaths’ until much later though. Perhaps it was here but in tiny numbers. Although half a dozen people on here, which is a pretty small pool, felt that they and family members had it ages ago. All very odd.
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My wife wonders if she had it and so did both our families back in December / January.

I can't see this myself as:
a) we have a case zero in the UK
b) if one doctor in Wuhan could see a spike in Pneumonia and suspect something then surely other doctors around the world would too if it was prevalent earlier than known.
c) the NHS would have been in meltdown with an unchecked spread for months before the recognised outbreak.

It seems a popular theory but one for conspiracists for me.

My layman guess has it as a potent but non deadly and unrelated seasonal virus.
 
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KooPeeArr said:
My wife wonders if she had it and so did both our families back in December / January.

I can't see this myself as:
a) we have a case zero in the UK
b) if one doctor in Wuhan could see a spike in Pneumonia and suspect something then surely other doctors around the world would too if it was prevalent earlier than known.
c) the NHS would have been in meltdown with an unchecked spread for months before the recognised outbreak.

It seems a popular theory but one for conspiracists for me.

My layman guess has it as a potent but non deadly and unrelated seasonal virus.
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The fact China went out of their way to cover it up until it couldn't be contained is where the element of doubt creeps in, if it was treated as flu-like for even two weeks the spread would have started...
 
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KooPeeArr said:
My wife wonders if she had it and so did both our families back in December / January.

I can't see this myself as:
a) we have a case zero in the UK
b) if one doctor in Wuhan could see a spike in Pneumonia and suspect something then surely other doctors around the world would too if it was prevalent earlier than known.
c) the NHS would have been in meltdown with an unchecked spread for months before the recognised outbreak.

It seems a popular theory but one for conspiracists for me.

My layman guess has it as a potent but non deadly and unrelated seasonal virus.
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It certainly doesn’t add up. I have no doubt that people were ill with the classic virus symptoms, but where were the hospitalisations and deaths?
 
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Sooperhoop said:
The fact China went out of their way to cover it up until it couldn't be contained is where the element of doubt creeps in, if it was treated as flu-like for even two weeks the spread would have started...
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It's the exponential spread if left unchecked that makes me doubtful that it was here earlier.

There is the revisited post mortem in France which does raise a doubt the other way though. I can't explain that.

It just doesn't sit right for me though China would probably love some doubt on the origins of this.
 
West WindsR said:
Apparently the address tonight isn’t live. This **** really doesn’t work weekends.
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Course it isn't live. Those who control boris cant afford him to speak live or ever face any questions. He's a complete buffoon. We have an absolute comical fool as our leader! He would likely make some racist comment about the deaths in the black Asian ethnic communities
 
Prediction.

5 minutes explaining that the new slogan is the old slogan followed by a fight them on the beaches chant and then another 5 minutes saying we should avoid beaches.
 
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Everyone please stay alert when the TV shows this pre recorded statement. Just be alert to the absolute bullshit that comes out of this man's mouth. I know some fall for it so easily and some actually revel in it so please just be ALERT!!!!
 
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