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Turkish" Premier" Hoops said:
Read the post again, wether there is enough to go round or not is ****ing immaterial if the assholes at the goods in at several hospitals won’t open their goods in departments to allow delivery, I could have a ****ing billion masks but if the door isn’t open how do I deliver them, one at a time through the ****ing letterbox.
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What's your source for that accusation?
 
qprbeth said:
You are absolutely right Col, some of the scientists and experts have shown poor leadership, and possibly vbeen easily led into following a political path.
There was also been a little too much "competition" especially in the early stages in the two modelling camps Oxford vs Imperial, that gave rise to very different sceanarios

The one I really want to know about is the ventilator situation.

Reading about the ventilators yesterday in the lightweight scientific articles I could easily undersatand why some of the basic ones that have been made in response to the government call were not fit to purpose. So who the hell put those specifications out to the manufacturers in the first place...and no, not even I am that stupid to think it was Boris on the back of an envelope. The specifications were put out by an "expert", but not a real expert on ventilation design. So that is really something that needs to be accounted for.

One last thing is another thing that is a factor...the "youth" of the government. This government was only in power for a month or two before this blew up, their only real experience was in "getting Brexit down". There had been little time to bed in with the cicil service either. They were hugely inexperienced in running a country.
Add to that a really big confounding factor:-the Chief Medical officer Professor Witty had only taken over from Dame Sally Davis in September.

All I can say is that what I know of her...the CoVid19 virus probably would have taken a one look at her and left the country of its own accord.
If Sally Davis was still CMO things would have been different. She took no prisioners and actually could not give a @@@@ what people thought.
Sally Davis was phenomenal
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At the beginning of all this I thought Whitty was pretty good - calm and authoritative. But the results are letting us down and the nail in the coffin will be the inevitable ‘everyone wear a mask’ climb down.

Have to admit I couldn’t stand Sally Davies, the epitome of hectoring public health professionals, but it would have been interesting to see how she dealt this this.
 
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"The idea that the prime minister skipped meetings that were vital to our response to the coronavirus I think is grotesque,” Gove said.
He then confirmed that Boris missed 5 meetings.
I tell you what is grotesque Gove. You prioritising a test for your daughter over frontline NHS staff!!!
 
sb_73 said:
At the beginning of all this I thought Whitty was pretty good - calm and authoritative. But the results are letting us down and the nail in the coffin will be the inevitable ‘everyone wear a mask’ climb down.

Have to admit I couldn’t stand Sally Davies, the epitome of hectoring public health professionals, but it would have been interesting to see how she dealt this this.
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I'm waiting for that too. Think I predicted that a few weeks ago!
 
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Think I believe the Times report more and more. It actually doesn't surprise me one bit. Incompetence has led the way throughout this and will continue to do so!
 
YorkshireHoopster said:
You do realise that when Ian Holloway comes back to the helm for his 4th or even 5th stint in charge he will have to take you off ignore then so play nice. What was the question again, I'll ask it.
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Now that actually did make me laugh out loud :)
All answered (or not) in Ellers usual way ;)

I do only talk about him ‘cos he’s got me on ignore....having a childish mind it amuses me.
 
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rangercol said:
Me too.

Unfortunately we live in a blame culture and scapegoats are hunted down.
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Staines R's said:
As well as being used as sacrificial lambs by those in charge
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Was it Whitty or Vallance that have us the 20k deaths good result figure, which is now like an albatross around their necks?

I think it was Vallance. Whitty was/is a proper doctor and epidemiologist as well as a public health leader which is always reassuring. It must be really hard for these professionals to decide whether the ‘hang on and try to do at least some good’ urge outweighs the ‘resign in disgust’ impulse.

Too late now. They can share the glory of a decent result or be complicit in a failure and all points in between. They have chosen quasi political careers. I’ll have sympathy but perhaps not too much.
 
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sb_73 said:
Was it Whitty or Vallance that have us the 20k deaths good result figure, which is now like an albatross around their necks?

I think it was Vallance. Whitty was/is a proper doctor and epidemiologist as well as a public health leader which is always reassuring. It must be really hard for these professionals to decide whether the ‘hang on and try to do at least some good’ urge outweighs the ‘resign in disgust’ impulse.

Too late now. They can share the glory of a decent result or be complicit in a failure and all points in between. They have chosen quasi political careers. I’ll have sympathy but perhaps not too much.
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I actually think Vallance comes across as a good person as well. Can’t remember who gave those figures but I would be pretty sure it wasn’t just him that came up with the figure.......it must of been a group of them surely ?

Even if they are ****servitives.........I still have a lot of respect for them.
 
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Buy Gilead shares. Their drug remdesivir, which was originally developed for ebola, is showing good results in getting COVID19 patients out of intensive care very quickly. Now recruiting patients for trials in UK after these results in USA, especially Chicago.

Gilead is the company which turned HIV from a death sentence into a manageable condition, created a cure (a ****ing CURE) for hepatitis C, and is pushing hard in these viral disease areas, where they are miles ahead of their commercial competition.

I, like a complete ****wit, turned down a job with them in about 2004.
 
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sb_73 said:
At the beginning of all this I thought Whitty was pretty good - calm and authoritative. But the results are letting us down and the nail in the coffin will be the inevitable ‘everyone wear a mask’ climb down.

Have to admit I couldn’t stand Sally Davies, the epitome of hectoring public health professionals, but it would have been interesting to see how she dealt this this.
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Sally Davies was one of the (main) reasons I left science and her Athena Swan proceedure, which I was heavily involved in ...until the light bulb moment of " I do not want this **** anymore". But for a crisis like this, she would have been tremendous...and her hectoring would/could have been appropriate. Boris, Hancock and Raab would all be hiding behind doors now.
 
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qprbeth said:
Sally Davies was one of the (main) reasons I left science and her Athena Swan proceedure, which I was heavily involved in ...until the light bulb moment of " I do not want this **** anymore". But for a crisis like this, she would have been tremendous...and her hectoring would/could have been appropriate. Boris, Hancock and Raab would all be hiding behind doors now.
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Good, I thought I had totally misread her public persona from your original post!

Sadly I think she would have been sacked if she scared the boyos too much. Though I suspect Raab spends a lot of time hiding, he looks scared out of his wits.
 
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Can I agree with Stan over this
Buy Gilead...won't be cheap as you missed the boat by about 5 days....but I still think they will be on the up.


Once trumpy gets of promoting the mefloquine train
 
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bobmid said:
Think I believe the Times report more and more. It actually doesn't surprise me one bit. Incompetence has led the way throughout this and will continue to do so!
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Sadly it is completely viable to dig and find some level of failure in anything of this scale. That doesn’t mean we can reap any joy from it with so many deaths. Nobody in this wants to see this many deaths. Glory hunting reporters do seem to manage that somehow and look to build their persona along the way, like Keunnsberg and her wannabe Peston.
 
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sb_73 said:
Was it Whitty or Vallance that have us the 20k deaths good result figure, which is now like an albatross around their necks?

I think it was Vallance. Whitty was/is a proper doctor and epidemiologist as well as a public health leader which is always reassuring. It must be really hard for these professionals to decide whether the ‘hang on and try to do at least some good’ urge outweighs the ‘resign in disgust’ impulse.

Too late now. They can share the glory of a decent result or be complicit in a failure and all points in between. They have chosen quasi political careers. I’ll have sympathy but perhaps not too much.
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It would appear 20k would have been a good result wouldn't it?
 
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qprbeth said:
Sally Davies was one of the (main) reasons I left science and her Athena Swan proceedure, which I was heavily involved in ...until the light bulb moment of " I do not want this **** anymore". But for a crisis like this, she would have been tremendous...and her hectoring would/could have been appropriate. Boris, Hancock and Raab would all be hiding behind doors now.
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Then again, she may have been another scientist getting things wrong.
 
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