Off Topic Conspiracy Thread

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Spook said:
The Nazis ceased to be anti-capitalist when Otto Strasser left the party and Gregor Strasser was purged during the Night of the Long Knives.

Before the purge, the Nazis were divided into two factions. The Strasserites were the radical 'left-wing' of the party who placed an emphasis on socialism over nationalism but were still German nationalists; the true 'national socialists' so to speak. The Hitlerites were the staunch followers of Hitler who believed in the Fuhrer principle and focused on biological racism and Aryanism primarily, whilst promoting nationalist state capitalism and class collaboration/social mobility. The Strasserites were nationalists and socialists but were not interested in racial purity like Hitler and his supporters. In fact, when Otto Strasser was expelled in 1930 for opposing Hitler he founded the Black Front movement and his right-hand man was a German Jew.
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fair enough I am no expert, thought Hitler continued the anti capitalist sentiment with big business is run by world jewry line. Probably just goes along with a whole load of other nonsense I was taught in school.
 
terrifictraore said:
fair enough I am no expert, thought Hitler continued the anti capitalist sentiment with big business is run by world jewry line. Probably just goes along with a whole load of other nonsense I was taught in school.
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The victors always write the history we are taught and, funnily enough, always turn out to be the good guys :emoticon-0100-smile
 
terrifictraore said:
fair enough I am no expert, thought Hitler continued the anti capitalist sentiment with big business is run by world jewry line. Probably just goes along with a whole load of other nonsense I was taught in school.
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Originally, Hitler and Goebbels, at least in the 1920s, were passionately anti-capitalist but once the Nazis became a real force in German politics during the 1930s, Hitler realised he would need the support of the small-c conservative middle-class and the big industrial corporations and their capitalist owners so he kinda capitulated to them. After that, he needed to purge the Nazi party of its radically left-wing socialist elements to appease the middle and upper classes. Hitler continued to use the rhetoric of socialism in his speeches but he misunderstood the concepts of socialism and instead started referring to Germany's economy as 'productive capitalism' as opposed to the laissez-faire 'parasitic capitalism' they associated with international Jewry.

Socialism by its very definition, as defined by the likes of Marx, Kropotkin, Proudhon and Bakunin, is an economic system where the workers own and control the means of production. A lot of people, particularly in the US but also here in the UK and Europe, falsely believe socialism is about high taxes, nationalised industry, universal healthcare, a welfare state and state ownership. That isn't socialism; it's social democracy based on Keynesian economics which is inherently capitalist and people on both the right and the left make this common misconception. For socialism to exist, the workers have to own the means of production, not the state, private corporations or individuals. This is why modern socialist theorists don't class the Soviet Union, China, North Korea, Venezuela etc. as socialist because those countries' governments controlled the means of production, not the workers. You can have state socialism like Yugoslavia under Tito where the government ensured the workers' ownership but the state itself did not own industry, agriculture or land, or you can have stateless socialism (social anarchism) like Catalonia during the Spanish Civil War where workers' ownership was ensured by trade unions and the community. That brings me on to another misconception about socialism: private property. There's a big difference between private property (property that generates capital based on other peoples' labour, e.g. factories, large farms) and personal property (personal possessions, e.g. a house you occupy, TVs, vehicles, laptops, phones, tools etc.). Socialists want to abolish private property so that people can't generate capital and revenue on the work of others but personal property is fine and actually encouraged.

The Nazis under Hitler ensured private ownership, therefore they can never be classed as socialists. Otto and Gregor Strasser on the other hand wanted to establish a German workers' state, a German socialist republic, where private property would be abolished and German workers controlled the means of production. Hence, why they were purged by Hitler and his supporters.
 
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Spook said:
Originally, Hitler and Goebbels, at least in the 1920s, were passionately anti-capitalist but once the Nazis became a real force in German politics during the 1930s, Hitler realised he would need the support of the small-c conservative middle-class and the big industrial corporations and their capitalist owners so he kinda capitulated to them. After that, he needed to purge the Nazi party of its radically left-wing socialist elements to appease the middle and upper classes. Hitler continued to use the rhetoric of socialism in his speeches but he misunderstood the concepts of socialism and instead started referring to Germany's economy as 'productive capitalism' as opposed to the laissez-faire 'parasitic capitalism' they associated with international Jewry.

Socialism by its very definition, as defined by the likes of Marx, Kropotkin, Proudhon and Bakunin, is an economic system where the workers own and control the means of production. A lot of people, particularly in the US but also here in the UK and Europe, falsely believe socialism is about high taxes, nationalised industry, universal healthcare, a welfare state and state ownership. That isn't socialism; it's social democracy based on Keynesian economics which is inherently capitalist and people on both the right and the left make this common misconception. For socialism to exist, the workers have to own the means of production, not the state, private corporations or individuals. This is why modern socialist theorists don't class the Soviet Union, China, North Korea, Venezuela etc. as socialist because those countries' governments controlled the means of production, not the workers. You can have state socialism like Yugoslavia under Tito where the government ensured the workers' ownership but the state itself did not own industry, agriculture or land, or you can have stateless socialism (social anarchism) like Catalonia during the Spanish Civil War where workers' ownership was ensured by trade unions and the community. That brings me on to another misconception about socialism: private property. There's a big difference between private property (property that generates capital based on other peoples' labour, e.g. factories, large farms) and personal property (personal possessions, e.g. a house you occupy, TVs, vehicles, laptops, phones, tools etc.). Socialists want to abolish private property so that people can't generate capital and revenue on the work of others but personal property is fine and actually encouraged.

The Nazis under Hitler ensured private ownership, therefore they can never be classed as socialists. Otto and Gregor Strasser on the other hand wanted to establish a German workers' state, a German socialist republic, where private property would be abolished and German workers controlled the means of production. Hence, why they were purged by Hitler and his supporters.
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Is any of our mods authorized to award a degree (Bachelors, Masters, Doctoral) for excellent performance in esoteric regurgitation? Especially on a football forum?
 
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Bengals Tiger said:
Thank you, I didn't, you risible little twerp.
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I mean, you can take the piss out of me for being a sad **** and having an interest in a topic but coming onto a football forum and practically begging strangers to wish you a happy birthday is something else. Was it because none of your family wished you a happy birthday?
 
Spook said:
I mean, you can take the piss out of me for being a sad **** and having an interest in a topic but coming onto a football forum and practically begging strangers to wish you a happy birthday is something else. Was it because none of your family wished you a happy birthday?
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Aye, a long way from the truth, but if it helps you with your self-esteem issues, that's cool with me.
Is it you or the other one on here who's struggling with their own genome questions?
Over and out.
 
Bengals Tiger said:
Aye, a long way from the truth, but if it helps you with your self-esteem issues, that's cool with me.
Is it you or the other one on here who's struggling with their own genome questions?
Over and out.
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This was moving along in its own way, no harm being done, just a read and discuss your view thread. Don't disrupt it simply for the sake of a personal jibe, just post your own version of history, as none of this will change the world or even Cincinnati.
 
Stockholm Tiger said:
I'm actually disgusted by that video and the attacks that continue to be made on the parents who's children were murdered at Sandy Hook.

Several monuments to those killed have been stolen or defaced. As a parent I can't imagine how it must feel not only to lose your child in this manner but then to be hounded on social media as a liar, told your children never existed or that they're still alive in hiding.

The way Robbie Parker acts is really odd. That little nervous smile at the beginning is not at all what you expect and he struggles to get through the statement. But his 6 year old daughter was murdered the day before and he's standing in front of news camera's for the first time in his life probably! Have you ever seem people in really stressful situations? There behavior IS often bizarre they don't always act like actors would. If that guy was an actor he's probably the worst on the planet.

I was with my grandfather the moment he literally brew his last breath in Dove House. My Aunt burst out laughing, she still doesn't know why, my Gran burst into tears and my Mother started combing his hair!?! In Iraq I arrived shortly after or was there when peoples families were literally blow to pieces next to them. Some people wailed and screamed, some were angry, some sat in stunned shock and some were very very unpredictable.

I mostly think conspiracy theories are a bit of harmless musing that keep bloggers happy but for some reason reading what happened to these families broke my heart.
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A search on Google appears to give a lot of support to claims from conspiracy theorists about crisis actors, false flags etc however, a closer look from sites such as snopes, blows most of the theories clean out of the water, and really does make the theories insulting to those that were involved.
 
terrifictraore said:
bloggers and other no marks on tinternet espousing wild theories is not an investigation.
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So everyone offering constructive contributions to this thread on conspiracies is a no mark?

There are too many people on here embroiled in personal tit for tat battles, trying to gain kudos from other posters by attacking their posts and generally acting like pretentious ****s.
That's not something I'm into. I don't have the time nor the energy.
So unless you wish to offer an olive branch, don't reply.
 
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Hull City AFC (DMD) said:
A search on Google appears to give a lot of support to claims from conspiracy theorists about crisis actors, false flags etc however, a closer look from sites such as snopes, blows most of the theories clean out of the water, and really does make the theories insulting to those that were involved.
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Snopes? I'll take a look at that now.
 
Spook said:
Originally, Hitler and Goebbels, at least in the 1920s, were passionately anti-capitalist but once the Nazis became a real force in German politics during the 1930s, Hitler realised he would need the support of the small-c conservative middle-class and the big industrial corporations and their capitalist owners so he kinda capitulated to them. After that, he needed to purge the Nazi party of its radically left-wing socialist elements to appease the middle and upper classes. Hitler continued to use the rhetoric of socialism in his speeches but he misunderstood the concepts of socialism and instead started referring to Germany's economy as 'productive capitalism' as opposed to the laissez-faire 'parasitic capitalism' they associated with international Jewry.

Socialism by its very definition, as defined by the likes of Marx, Kropotkin, Proudhon and Bakunin, is an economic system where the workers own and control the means of production. A lot of people, particularly in the US but also here in the UK and Europe, falsely believe socialism is about high taxes, nationalised industry, universal healthcare, a welfare state and state ownership. That isn't socialism; it's social democracy based on Keynesian economics which is inherently capitalist and people on both the right and the left make this common misconception. For socialism to exist, the workers have to own the means of production, not the state, private corporations or individuals. This is why modern socialist theorists don't class the Soviet Union, China, North Korea, Venezuela etc. as socialist because those countries' governments controlled the means of production, not the workers. You can have state socialism like Yugoslavia under Tito where the government ensured the workers' ownership but the state itself did not own industry, agriculture or land, or you can have stateless socialism (social anarchism) like Catalonia during the Spanish Civil War where workers' ownership was ensured by trade unions and the community. That brings me on to another misconception about socialism: private property. There's a big difference between private property (property that generates capital based on other peoples' labour, e.g. factories, large farms) and personal property (personal possessions, e.g. a house you occupy, TVs, vehicles, laptops, phones, tools etc.). Socialists want to abolish private property so that people can't generate capital and revenue on the work of others but personal property is fine and actually encouraged.

The Nazis under Hitler ensured private ownership, therefore they can never be classed as socialists. Otto and Gregor Strasser on the other hand wanted to establish a German workers' state, a German socialist republic, where private property would be abolished and German workers controlled the means of production. Hence, why they were purged by Hitler and his supporters.
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Very informed.good read that
 
TravisBickle said:
So everyone offering constructive contributions to this thread on conspiracies is a no mark?

There are too many people on here embroiled in personal tit for tat battles, trying to gain kudos from other posters by attacking their posts and generally acting like pretentious ****s.
That's not something I'm into. I don't have the time nor the energy.
So unless you wish to offer an olive branch, don't reply.
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You're a neo-Nazi, aren't you? I'm not taking the piss, it's just that judging by your previous comments on Jews and the Nordic imagery in your avatar I would have assumed you were somewhere on the far-right of the political spectrum. Correct me if I'm wrong.
 
originallambrettaman said:
No politics.
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I know we have this 'no politics, no religion' rule but there's also a third rule about not being an arse to each other and that gets broken all the time. What's so sacred about the first two rules? Wouldn't it be better to just have a single pinned thread on politics and current events? How a about a vote on it? No? Alright.
 
Spook said:
I know we have this 'no politics, no religion' rule but there's also a third rule about not being an arse to each other and that gets broken all the time. What's so sacred about the first two rules? Wouldn't it be better to just have a single pinned thread on politics and current events? How a about a vote on it? No? Alright.
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We recently had a vote on it and it was rejected and unless you want this thread locked, I'd leave it there, there's been plenty of leeway given already. Ta.
 
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