Off Topic Conspiracy Thread

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Now I understand your use of them, not attention seekers or druggies etc <ok>
I am fairly new on your board and am not yet used to how people debate, please don't think I am being awkward because I am not though I may ask the odd question that seems sarky (so I am told).
I have many doubts about mainstream belief and tend to question most things.

No, it's fine, I have absolutely no problem with people asking legitimate questions.
 
That Ancient Aliens thing is garbage, I'm pretty sure it was written and directed by Zecharia Sitchin as they pretty much quoted every episode verbatim from his work. Although I do like Giorgio Tsoukalos, he's well cool. And the little fat bloke with the red face, he's funny too. David Childress is it? The show's format is really crap and typically American, spending five minutes explaining what had been said before the last ad break, straight after the ad break, repeating questions. Running time 30 minutes, original content 30 seconds.

As to the technology side of it, I'm not sure what sort of influence there's been, but you look at the evolution of technology over the last century and it's phenomenal. We went from a really crappy Wright brothers plane (1903) to apparently landing a man on the moon 63 years later. Having previously gone 250,000 odd years without any sort of tech, we develop everything we have now in a century? Yeah, ok. I'm not saying there were aliens saying "here you go, have some technology", but I think there might've been some reverse engineering going on. You think of the way our cars run, fossil fuels, it's very human. We burn stuff to make stuff go. Basic. Or we used steam to power trains. Not electricity, that had been around for years, how long did that take to apply to trains? And if it was applied to trains, why wasn't it straight away applied to cars? Why has it taken this long to get an electric car on the market? Not many electric ferries or aeroplanes either, yet it's quite clearly a clean energy strategy that would work. If you can take that tech and apply it to trains and cars, why not planes and boats?
You clearly forgot to add the usual "IMHO" wrt your "garbage" comment.
Your "typically American" jibe is both gratuitous and fatuous -- more becoming of an uneducated, English old fart, than a young person claiming to have a solid grounding in science. Where do you think many of the recent Nobel Prize winners and top universities are located these days? *****lia?
Diego has eloquently detailed some of the points I was going to address, and I agree fully with what he has said.
You are also casually forgetting the many "ancient technological" feats (multiple, similar pyramids worldwide , impossibly close-fitting stones, and much, much more) that we could barely match today even with current technology. The excellent AA series had many examples of such ancient, even prehistoric, allegedly 'human' achievements.
I watched every season of the AA series (including contributions from several top-notch scientists I have personally known and respected for decades). I found the content to be generally of extremely high calibre (with just a few exceptions), and very well-produced and directed. Most of the contributors are well-respected in their respective fields, not just hack pseudo-scientists.
Your estimate of the real-content ratio of AA is ridiculous. I pre-record everything I watch, and FF through all the ads, etc. Often I will go for a break (short or long), and the after-break recap is often very much needed and appreciated.
Finally, I can absolutely assure you, based on decades of personal experiences, that a great (global) government-inspired cover-up of new scientific discoveries has been going on since at least the days of Tesla, arguably the greatest scientist since Newton. What the bastards also more recently did to Eric Laithwaite was disgusting. The ideas of both of these exceptional minds, and others, are now being pursued in quarters waaay beyond the sight of any government, and will be vindicated in the near future.
It's going to be a very interesting next few years. I hope I live long enough to see the way it all unravels.
 
You clearly forgot to add the usual "IMHO" wrt your "garbage" comment.
Your "typically American" jibe is both gratuitous and fatuous -- more becoming of an uneducated, English old fart, than a young person claiming to have a solid grounding in science. Where do you think many of the recent Nobel Prize winners and top universities are located these days? *****lia?
Diego has eloquently detailed some of the points I was going to address, and I agree fully with what he has said.
You are also casually forgetting the many "ancient technological" feats (multiple, similar pyramids worldwide , impossibly close-fitting stones, and much, much more) that we could barely match today even with current technology. The excellent AA series had many examples of such ancient, even prehistoric, allegedly 'human' achievements.
I watched every season of the AA series (including contributions from several top-notch scientists I have personally known and respected for decades). I found the content to be generally of extremely high calibre (with just a few exceptions), and very well-produced and directed. Most of the contributors are well-respected in their respective fields, not just hack pseudo-scientists.
Your estimate of the real-content ratio of AA is ridiculous. I pre-record everything I watch, and FF through all the ads, etc. Often I will go for a break (short or long), and the after-break recap is often very much needed and appreciated.
Finally, I can absolutely assure you, based on decades of personal experiences, that a great (global) government-inspired cover-up of new scientific discoveries has been going on since at least the days of Tesla, arguably the greatest scientist since Newton. What the bastards also more recently did to Eric Laithwaite was disgusting. The ideas of both of these exceptional minds, and others, are now being pursued in quarters waaay beyond the sight of any government, and will be vindicated in the near future.
It's going to be a very interesting next few years. I hope I live long enough to see the way it all unravels.
Got to be honest here Bengal, the pyramid thing is a bit of a red herring.
If you assume humans all evolved at the same time (roughly) then it is fair to assume they would be starting to build structures around the same time.
If you were starting today from a point of building small huts and maybe large meeting halls, then decided you needed to build a massive structure to honour your gods you would start with what you knew and fail. After many attempts you would come across a structure that was very stable and quite easy to build (a pyramid). The fact that all human species progressed at a similar rate (a few hundred or maybe couple of thousand years apart) is no surprise when you look at the past.
By far the biggest and fastest advancements have occurred in the last 50 years and most of them have been out of the blue.

That said, I watch AA and many of the carvings and pictographs make me think wtf? but Childress et al just make me laugh.

I have a feeling that me, you and Sterling are saying very similar things but in different ways.
 
Got to be honest here Bengal, the pyramid thing is a bit of a red herring.
If you assume humans all evolved at the same time (roughly) then it is fair to assume they would be starting to build structures around the same time.
If you were starting today from a point of building small huts and maybe large meeting halls, then decided you needed to build a massive structure to honour your gods you would start with what you knew and fail. After many attempts you would come across a structure that was very stable and quite easy to build (a pyramid). The fact that all human species progressed at a similar rate (a few hundred or maybe couple of thousand years apart) is no surprise when you look at the past.
By far the biggest and fastest advancements have occurred in the last 50 years and most of them have been out of the blue.

That said, I watch AA and many of the carvings and pictographs make me think wtf? but Childress et al just make me laugh.

I have a feeling that me, you and Sterling are saying very similar things but in different ways.
Again, I agree more-or-less with everything you've said here. This, alone, is a very rare phenomenon. Certainly, a first on this forum.
I agree that my example of pyramids is arguable (as you've shown--unconvincingly--though we'll leave it there for now). Your response begs the question (as you clearly understand): WHY / HOW did ALMOST IDENTICAL genetic mutations from apes occur almost simultaneously ALL OVER THE WORLD to create almost-identical human beings? Darwin's ideas don't work (for me) here. Wouldn't different habitats demand rather more than just different skin colour to succeed?**
Via Occam's Razor, the simplest (but most controversial) explanation, as detailed on AA and elsewhere, is alien (sexual) intervention. The amazing growth in scientific knowledge in recent times is, IMHO, the result of a separate (?) but similar intervention.
For me, the biggest question is, WHO is controlling the governments that control the financial and education systems that control WHO gains and develops and applies information that mankind has never previously known?
Surely it can't be the not606 moderators, or the unmoderated bad boys ... can it?

** I find it difficult to believe that genetics lead to the same inevitable conclusions as chemical interactions such as H2 + O = water, EVERY time.
Good night.
 
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Plenty of churches were built before Mecca was invented.
My earlier reference to Mecca was all about the black cube the worshippers walk around and why there are black cubes seemingly placed at random around the planet. Together with university students at graduation wearing a black squares on their heads. They are all linked.

My question regarding naves facing east was not connected to Mecca , I think Sterling assumed it was. Naves face east because the sun rises in the east.
 
Now I understand your use of them, not attention seekers or druggies etc <ok>
I am fairly new on your board and am not yet used to how people debate, please don't think I am being awkward because I am not though I may ask the odd question that seems sarky (so I am told).
I have many doubts about mainstream belief and tend to question most things.
Again, I agree more-or-less with everything you've said here. This, alone, is a very rare phenomenon. Certainly, a first on this forum.
I agree that my example of pyramids is arguable (as you've shown--unconvincingly--though we'll leave it there for now). Your response begs the question (as you clearly understand): WHY / HOW did ALMOST IDENTICAL genetic mutations from apes occur almost simultaneously ALL OVER THE WORLD to create almost-identical human beings? Darwin's ideas don't work (for me) here. Wouldn't different habitats demand rather more than just different skin colour to succeed?**
Via Occam's Razor, the simplest (but most controversial) explanation, as detailed on AA and elsewhere, is alien (sexual) intervention. The amazing growth in scientific knowledge in recent times is, IMHO, the result of a separate (?) but similar intervention.
For me, the biggest question is, WHO is controlling the governments that control the financial and education systems that control WHO gains and develops and applies information that mankind has never previously known?
Surely it can't be the not606 moderators, or the unmoderated bad boys ... can it?

** I find it difficult to believe that genetics lead to the same inevitable conclusions as chemical interactions such as H2 + O = water, EVERY time.
Good night.
These last few posts have been excellent !
 
You clearly forgot to add the usual "IMHO" wrt your "garbage" comment.
Your "typically American" jibe is both gratuitous and fatuous -- more becoming of an uneducated, English old fart, than a young person claiming to have a solid grounding in science. Where do you think many of the recent Nobel Prize winners and top universities are located these days? *****lia?
Diego has eloquently detailed some of the points I was going to address, and I agree fully with what he has said.
You are also casually forgetting the many "ancient technological" feats (multiple, similar pyramids worldwide , impossibly close-fitting stones, and much, much more) that we could barely match today even with current technology. The excellent AA series had many examples of such ancient, even prehistoric, allegedly 'human' achievements.
I watched every season of the AA series (including contributions from several top-notch scientists I have personally known and respected for decades). I found the content to be generally of extremely high calibre (with just a few exceptions), and very well-produced and directed. Most of the contributors are well-respected in their respective fields, not just hack pseudo-scientists.
Your estimate of the real-content ratio of AA is ridiculous. I pre-record everything I watch, and FF through all the ads, etc. Often I will go for a break (short or long), and the after-break recap is often very much needed and appreciated.
Finally, I can absolutely assure you, based on decades of personal experiences, that a great (global) government-inspired cover-up of new scientific discoveries has been going on since at least the days of Tesla, arguably the greatest scientist since Newton. What the bastards also more recently did to Eric Laithwaite was disgusting. The ideas of both of these exceptional minds, and others, are now being pursued in quarters waaay beyond the sight of any government, and will be vindicated in the near future.
It's going to be a very interesting next few years. I hope I live long enough to see the way it all unravels.
My only criticism of the AA programme is all of it's content existed in films , books and theories years ago. The producers are not bringing anything new.
I have watched most episodes , the producers seem to distance themselves from each subject by repeating the phrase 'ancient alien theorists say...' implying the theorists are not of sound mind.
 
Erich von Daniken has some interesting theories.

Von Daniken's books are pretty much the basis for Ancient Aliens. They're certainly food for thought, but a frequent mistake is for them to make claims and imply they're facts when in reality they require a leap of faith, that taints some of the other stuff.

They show images that they say depicts rockets the same design as our own, yet. those designs of ours designs can't get to alien life.
 
Von Daniken's books are pretty much the basis for Ancient Aliens. They're certainly food for thought, but a frequent mistake is for them to make claims and imply they're facts when in reality they require a leap of faith, that taints some of the other stuff.

They show images that they say depicts rockets the same design as our own, yet. those designs of ours designs can't get to alien life.

Have you not seen the Back To The Future series?

The Fourth one's my favourite.
 
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What a wonderful way to sum up a lot of people's responses.

I too fall into the 'answer two' category. There are definitely things out there which demand more of an explanation.

It's a shame, because if more people wanted the answers, there'd be a better chance of finding them. But many folk seem to either go too far the other way and go tin foil hat, or they scoff and laugh because they know that the general consensus is that it's a taboo subject and they desperately don't want to be seen as thinking about stuff that seems 'odd'. I'd be willing to bet that many of the people who poke fun have pondered the subject on many occasions, but would be too embarrassed to openly discuss it.

I used to run a support group for alien abductees (a project from uni that I turned into a spare time thing) and it opened my eyes as to how many frightened, scared people there really are out there. Regardless of whether it was a lucid dream, a hallucination or a real life encounter, there are people who live in genuine fear of this, it's cost them jobs, health and relationships. And these aren't nutjobs, they're lawyers, students, accountants, nurses, all different walks of life who wanted to know what the hell was going on. I didnt have all the answers they wanted, but it helped me gather some research on their cases and gave them somebody to talk to about a subject they couldn't even disclose to their husbands, parents or friends.

When you ask so called skeptics their opinion, their response is the same as if you'd just asked them to recommend a good porn site.

I've never been abducted or visited by aliens, but quite by accident ended up taking part in a study of abductees, which was really interesting. If the people you mention lived in real fear, then it shouldn't be too difficult to allay their fears.

Their is a recognised medical condition that ticks the boxes for the basic elements of what people then ascribe to abductions. A look at the history of similar claims shows that the basic elements have occurred for centuries, but the interpretation has changed over the years.

Older examples talk of hobbits and ghosts visiting in the night, more recently, they're described as 'aliens' and even more recently a description of "greys" is often given. It's related to which images are in popular culture at the time.

Generally, people describe being totally paralysed, as if held down by an invisible force. Around them, they see one or more of the 'visitors'. The experience is described as giving a sensation of terror and they have various aches afterwards.

When we sleep the body is controlled to stop us thrashing about. Sleepwalkers control is less than average.

The abductees are more or less the opposite. The mind achieves a 'half awakening, but the body is locked. The more the person tries to move, the more restricted movement becomes. It leaves someone locked in a position, with their eyes open, and not fully awake. The struggle to move causes physical pain, and the effort can leave the victim stiff and aching.

The mind is pre-programmed to decipher the messages from the eyes, and logs the shapes and shadows into 'known' categories. In these cases, the shadows become aliens.

There are often specific things that can trigger episodes, even as simple as eating too much cheese.
 
I think this subject deserves more than people just slagging each other off. Many of you are pigeon-holeing yourselves straight away without giving reasonable comments to cement your stance.

Take for example the moon landings. The question here being: were the moon landings faked?

Now, the majority of responses would fall into the general area of these three answers:

Answer 1:

Of course they were faked! The evidence is there for all to see. For ****s sake, how could we even make it to the moon? People are so gullible. Drones who cannot see what is in plain site. Idiots. Lol at the sleeping idiots.

Answer 2:

Well I would think that man has visited the moon. However, having looked into it I do think there are questions to be asked. I need to delve a bit deeper into this to see any and all possible compelling evidence either way.

Answer 3:

****ing hell. Of course the moon landings happened. Lol you lot need to get out more. It's ridiculous you're even posting this nonsense. Talk about pointless! Ha go have a fly in your spaceship snigger.

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Now, you know where I'm sitting of course. Yup, right in the middle. To answer the question I posted, my answer is this:

I do believe man went to the moon. However, having been interested in the conspiracy side of it, I believe (for now anyway) that many of the films we see of the lunar surface were faked. Why? Two possibilities: 1. What was originally filmed on the moon's surface could not be shown to the public as it was too disturbing / sensitive. 2. The footage was so bad, the need for Hollywood-esque film required the shots to be re-filmed here on Earth. Currently I'm leaning towards answer 1 there. So for me, there is definitely a conspiracy regarding the moon landings. I believe it's just the re-filming of them.

What I'm saying here is I feel quite balanced on the conspiracy front. I don't believe everything I see or hear from the main stream media. Nor do I believe in every single conspiracy theory.

However, I do actually look into things. I watched videos, read books, do my own small time investigating.

So those who believe, keep on believing, but remember not everything is a conspiracy.

And to those who think it's a pathetic joke, please dig a little deeper before you comment. You can't piss yourself at a subject (or video) if you're not willing to take a look into it. Don't just dimiss people as crazy loonies without taking a peek.

Faults on both sides. But let's be respectful.
What was your conclusion on the JFK assassination ? How many triggers ? Who and why ?
 
What was your conclusion on the JFK assassination ? How many triggers ? Who and why ?

Of the conspiracy theories I've seen, the rebuttals seem more valid than the claim, but I keep an open mind.

If I had to plump for one choice, I'd go with Oswald, alone. A part of that is based on his behaviour after the shooting. I'm still not clear what his motives could be, but as another nutter thought a similar act would get him a shag from Jody Foster, despite her being a lesbian. I guess it could be anything.