didn't scuttle anywhere soft lad - Steve Bruce presided over this club at a time of the single biggest increase in transfer fees as a result of the massive increase in tv money - the value of most PL teams increased significantly - we broke even because of 3 players - one was undersold- one Brucie didn't rate and thought his son was a better bet and the other Ehab got lucky - Swansea will be lucky to see half of what they paid - we're in this mess because Brucie ****ed up and that sunshine is a fact - when he got us relegated with the biggest spend this club has ever made the Allams pulled the plug saying enough is enough - sychophant
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didn't scuttle anywhere soft lad - Steve Bruce presided over this club at a time of the single biggest increase in transfer fees as a result of the massive increase in tv money - the value of most PL teams increased significantly - we broke even because of 3 players - one was undersold- one Brucie didn't rate and thought his son was a better bet and the other Ehab got lucky - Swansea will be lucky to see half of what they paid - we're in this mess because Brucie ****ed up and that sunshine is a fact - when he got us relegated with the biggest spend this club has ever made the Allams pulled the plug saying enough is enough - sychophant
Erm, it should have been the biggest spend this club has ever made. Every single year nearly every Premier League team spends the most it ever has. That’s because they all receive more money now.
Relatively speaking you'd be hard pressed to argue that it wasn't a decent war chest back in 2011. We're not talking 2018 budgets here after all.
The interesting thing here is that the Pearson consortium pulled out then not long after another one, lead by essentially a non-league chairman (Mackems must be suitably underwhelmed and worried), gets the club debt-free? Was that not on the table to Pearson, who only pulled out in the last week or two. Methinks there is a lot of fine print to this deal.
I never said it wasnt. The point is it was our 4th (i think, havent checked) season ever in the top flight. It should be the most we ever spent.
Pearson was just working as a consultant, he wasn’t actually part of any consortium.
I don't think that's right, I remember reading something a couple of weeks ago that out of around 100 players they've bought since being in the premier league only about 8 of them turned a profit and the rest all made a loss.
Just looked, Bruce turned a profit on 3 players McLean £1.15m, Bent £2m and Mignolet £5m for a total of £8.15m profit. The rest all made a loss.
And every other player for the next 5 years also made a loss.
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I can't help but have a tainted image of Bruce. I'd have taken relegation for a go in Europe, or staying in the prem and sacrificing europe to a less extent, or not bottling the cup final.
His little old Hull routine wore very thin as well.
His little old Hull routine wore very thin as well.
McClean bought for £350k, sold for £2m.
Bent bought for £10m (£16m with add-ons), sold for £18m (24m with add-ons).
Mignolet bought for £2m, sold for £9m.
During his time at Sunderland, he had a net spend of less than £17m (£16.7m in 2009/10 and zero in 2010/11) and after he left they got £13m back for Gyan, £7m on Mignolet and £2-8m on Bent (depending on who you believe), there were a few losses (£2m on Cambell, £2m on Turner, but most of the loses were negligible losses), overall they did as well out of his player trading as we did.
Never thought I would day this, but I envy SAFC fans today.
Crippling debt gone, bungling owner gone and new consortium in. They should come up again at the first attempt and their bandwagon will well and truly be rolling again.
Meanwhile we will be down to 10k crowds, possibly getting relegated, and still held to ransom by the most malevolent/incompetent owners in our history.
Crippling debt gone, bungling owner gone and new consortium in. They should come up again at the first attempt and their bandwagon will well and truly be rolling again.
Meanwhile we will be down to 10k crowds, possibly getting relegated, and still held to ransom by the most malevolent/incompetent owners in our history.
They didn't get £13m for Gyan, they made a massive loss on him. Looking at seasonal net spends is misleading for this purpose as it includes players brought in by previous managers and academy graduates (like Henderson who they got a massive fee for) and discounts what the players he brought in eventually left for.
Steve Bruce spent £70-£80m on players in his time at Sunderland, only 5 or 6 ever actually played regularly and of them all only the 3 mentioned prior actually sold for a profit.
I suspect that the big difference is that Short actually wanted to sell.
Short actually knows how to negotiate- all Allam does is shout, threaten and lie - hardly a recipe for a successful outcome
point out one lie
1 I said junior wasn' good enough for the Prem - he can't even get a game in League 1 as soon as his dad stops picking him
2 Brucie ****ed up and got us relegated having been given the 7th biggest spend in the Prem that season
3 The Allams pulled the plug on Brucie because he got us relegated
4 as a result of Brucie ****ing up we're in the mess we are now
not one lie not one shout and not one threat - there you go - all 100% fact
Yeah it was a joke...
But if you want to be serious, your first one is a lie. He played in the Premier League on many occasions, therefore by definition he is good enough to do so. Your opinion is he wasnt, the FACT is he was.
And your 4th is a lie - Bruce quitting after getting us promoted and guaranteeing hundreds of millions in income can’t by any stretch of an imagination - except yours - be the reason why we finished nearly bottom of the division below 2 years later with a team made up of mosty non-Bruce signings watched by the lowest crowds in a decade.
Saying Bruce is the reason we’re in a mess now is like saying Barmby was the reason that we got promoted.
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