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Why is it that we seem to have been talking for decades about SMR's (mini nuclear reactors) as being the main (obvious?) solution for our own energy provision, yet nothing seems to happen? (well, obvious if you choose to ignore the self destruction madness we impose on ourselves given the natural resources we turn our back on yet import from across the world instead)
Just googling the latest timeline, it looks like the latest plan is to START roll out from mid-2030's (and we all know what happens in practice with these planned timelines!).
We seem hopeless time and again with such projects? Whereas China ....
 
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Why is it that we seem to have been talking for decades about SMR's (mini nuclear reactors) as being the main (obvious?) solution for our own energy provision, yet nothing seems to happen? (well, obvious if you choose to ignore the self destruction madness we impose on ourselves given the natural resources we turn our back on yet import from across the world instead)
Just googling the latest timeline, it looks like the latest plan is to START roll out from mid-2030's (and we all know what happens in practice with these planned timelines!).
We seem hopeless time and again with such projects? Whereas China ....

It's pushback from local authorities and no real options for waste disposal. Nobody wants to have a reactor built near them and nowhere wants to accept the waste. There's already a problem getting local authorities to accept existing nuclear waste. One of the areas that had actually been considered was near Withernsea. East Yorkshire Council agreed to join a working group back in January 2024, but a month later withdrew because of backlash. There are only three other places willing to discuss taking waste. Two are in Cumbria and one is Lincolnshire.
 
Why is it that we seem to have been talking for decades about SMR's (mini nuclear reactors) as being the main (obvious?) solution for our own energy provision, yet nothing seems to happen? (well, obvious if you choose to ignore the self destruction madness we impose on ourselves given the natural resources we turn our back on yet import from across the world instead)
Just googling the latest timeline, it looks like the latest plan is to START roll out from mid-2030's (and we all know what happens in practice with these planned timelines!).
We seem hopeless time and again with such projects? Whereas China ....
Because Britain is full of NIMBYs.
 
Why is it that we seem to have been talking for decades about SMR's (mini nuclear reactors) as being the main (obvious?) solution for our own energy provision, yet nothing seems to happen? (well, obvious if you choose to ignore the self destruction madness we impose on ourselves given the natural resources we turn our back on yet import from across the world instead)
Just googling the latest timeline, it looks like the latest plan is to START roll out from mid-2030's (and we all know what happens in practice with these planned timelines!).
We seem hopeless time and again with such projects? Whereas China ....
Don't know much about these SMRs but a quick google elicits dozens of good-sounding reasons why they might not be a panacea yet. Seems that China and Russia are the only countries trying them. Russia has installed one a floating raft way out in the East, China also has one one an offshore island, so they're not prolific and they're almost certainly experimental at this stage. Also sounds like nobody wants them close to heavily populated areas. No other country has them, there just might be a sound reason for that.
Maybe it isn't the case that UK is hopeless and China is wonderful...
 
Don't know much about these SMRs but a quick google elicits dozens of good-sounding reasons why they might not be a panacea yet. Seems that China and Russia are the only countries trying them. Russia has installed one a floating raft way out in the East, China also has one one an offshore island, so they're not prolific and they're almost certainly experimental at this stage. Also sounds like nobody wants them close to heavily populated areas. No other country has them, there just might be a sound reason for that.
Maybe it isn't the case that UK is hopeless and China is wonderful...
Maybe.
But .... it seems like we've been hearing that Rolls Royce have been ready with this technology for ever, but actual implementation is still way off.
Many countries have timelines for commerical implementation and seem years ahead of us. Not just usual suspects (US, China, Russia) but also countries like say Finland.
 
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And in the usual lack of joined up thinking way everyone is being pushed into using more electric but neither the generation or distribution is up to speed.
Isn't it? Have we been running out of electricity? Sometimes seems like wishful thinking from electric-sceptics when people talk about how hard it is to scale up electricity generation. Surely one of the simpler problems to solve in the scheme of things, and one we've gradually been dealing with for centuries.

Seen a few stories in recent days about renewables making up incredibly high proportions of our electricity. Not mentioned on here yet though.
 
Maybe.
But .... it seems like we've been hearing that Rolls Royce have been ready with this technology for ever, but actual implementation is still way off.
Many countries have timelines for commerical implementation and seem years ahead of us. Not just usual suspects (US, China, Russia) but also countries like say Finland.
Well, the Finland one is a pilot, construction was set to start in 2025 for implementation in 2030, so they're not exactly streets ahead. France, who is no stranger to nuclear power, are aiming for deployment in the 2030s, USA is aiming for late 2020s or early 2030s.
I'm not trying to score points here, I'm no particular supporter of this, or any other, UK govt and like anyone else I sometimes take a pop when things are going a bit awry. But are we really as useless as many like to say? I think not and I struggle to think of many other countries doing it better than we are,
 
Well, the Finland one is a pilot, construction was set to start in 2025 for implementation in 2030, so they're not exactly streets ahead. France, who is no stranger to nuclear power, are aiming for deployment in the 2030s, USA is aiming for late 2020s or early 2030s.
I'm not trying to score points here, I'm no particular supporter of this, or any other, UK govt and like anyone else I sometimes take a pop when things are going a bit awry. But are we really as useless as many like to say? I think not and I struggle to think of many other countries doing it better than we are,
:emoticon-0148-yes: TWT
 
Isn't it? Have we been running out of electricity? Sometimes seems like wishful thinking from electric-sceptics when people talk about how hard it is to scale up electricity generation. Surely one of the simpler problems to solve in the scheme of things, and one we've gradually been dealing with for centuries.

Seen a few stories in recent days about renewables making up incredibly high proportions of our electricity. Not mentioned on here yet though.

Wind farms up in Scotland and out in the north Sea, where it's windy but what they produce is needed much further south that's why there are big plans for grid updates. Any over ground plans like the one across Lincolnshire are getting objections and the public want underground cabling which is more complicated, takes longer and costs much more.
At a more local level there's been talk of existing services unable to add more Ev charging points because the feed in won't take it.
And as we all know infrastructure projects always take longer and cost more than forecast.
 
Well, the Finland one is a pilot, construction was set to start in 2025 for implementation in 2030, so they're not exactly streets ahead. France, who is no stranger to nuclear power, are aiming for deployment in the 2030s, USA is aiming for late 2020s or early 2030s.
I'm not trying to score points here, I'm no particular supporter of this, or any other, UK govt and like anyone else I sometimes take a pop when things are going a bit awry. But are we really as useless as many like to say? I think not and I struggle to think of many other countries doing it better than we are,
Excellent post plummers
It seems almost like brainwashing that everything in this country is ****ed when it isnt
 
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Wind farms up in Scotland and out in the north Sea, where it's windy but what they produce is needed much further south that's why there are big plans for grid updates. Any over ground plans like the one across Lincolnshire are getting objections and the public want underground cabling which is more complicated, takes longer and costs much more.
At a more local level there's been talk of existing services unable to add more Ev charging points because the feed in won't take it.
And as we all know infrastructure projects always take longer and cost more than forecast.
One superhighway has been up and running for a decade, two are being laid now and the big one, East Green Link 4 - from Fife to Lincolnshire, got financing guaranteed a few weeks ago. I was considering moving to Scotland to work on it on a three year contract before my children's mother got ill.

Part of the Green long term plan, but really it's an energy security plan - all parties agreed on it, to reduce any issues with oil and gas, as we are all seeing now.

More certain than I've ever been that we will all be driving electric cars, apart from classics and high end sports cars in twenty years time - the majority of modern countries are adjusting their grids and energy prod accordingly.
 
Because Britain is full of NIMBYs.
Cancer rates are higher around Sellafield.. no one wants depleted uranium stored or transported around their homes, school, food or water sources. Local councils do what their residents want and object and fortunately have the power to stop it - the people of China and Russia don't have this fortune.

Nuclear power costs billions, is too specialised to get trained workers and costs even more when the stations need renovating and repairing. If it was an easily viable alternative all countries would be diving in, but apart from Iran pre February, there's not that much interest in enriching uranium right now.