Off Topic Climate change/ pollution

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Ye totally agree, but it will be part of an integrated solution. There's environmental impact of all energy production but should be significantly less than oil/coal etc.

When looked at holistically, 'should' is doing some heavy lifting there.

I think what is still needed, is a full understanding of the supposed problem to be resolved rather than what is more a political tool.
 
You mean Greta Thunberg? Not heard about her for a few years - she caused a security breach by sailing around where i work. I imagine she was used to push countries into agreeing to net zero pledges and now has gone rogue. I don't follow anyone who antagonises old ppl about what they did in the past, just suggesting better solutions for the future. What's done is done and can't go back. The UK being able to support itself independently for energy needs in a way that is least detrimental to the local environment is a good aim.

She was in the news this week.
 
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When looked at holistically, 'should' is doing some heavy lifting there.

I think what is still needed, is a full understanding of the supposed problem to be resolved rather than what is more a political tool.

Ye maybe, but decarbonising of energy production is happening now.. the investment is there - National Grid shareholders and customers are paying £8-30 billion for wind turbine infrastructure over the next 10 years. No longer just politics, it's corporate strategy.
 
Ye maybe, but decarbonising of energy production is happening now.. the investment is there - National Grid shareholders and customers are paying £8-30 billion for wind turbine infrastructure over the next 10 years. No longer just politics, it's corporate strategy.

You may find it interesting to look deeper into that to get a more complete picture. :emoticon-0105-wink:
 
Ha ha, all those points are true, but I'm calling bullshit on a pensioner saying that as an off the cuff speech to a cashier, then someone managing to note it down word for word. Any elderly woman would be too busy fumbling in her purse for cash, a task left until all the goods had been scanned and holding up the queue for the rest in line.
Of course it’s a made-up sketch but your response says more about you than anything else. You don’t seem to have much time for pensioners. There are plenty who are articulate, agile and numerate and could quite easily give someone a mouthful off the cuff while using their payment card without having to fumble for it, many of them on this board.
 
I don't think you've been following things very closely if you've missed the claims of the youth. There's an uneducated Swedish doom goblin whose handlers will feel they wasted their money for one.

There probably is a good solution but little of what you're suggesting meets that in a strategic, holistic way.

I think the youth being far more climate aware can only be a good thing, hopefully it will lead to better decisions being made in the future.

The youth certainly don't have an exclusive on doom mongering either, most of those Just Stop Oil nutters seem to be in their eighties.
 
I think the youth being far more climate aware can only be a good thing, hopefully it will lead to better decisions being made in the future.

The youth certainly don't have an exclusive on doom mongering either, most of those Just Stop Oil nutters seem to be in their eighties.

As long as their 'awareness' is accurate and based on facts. Sadly, that is often not the case. It's hard to blame them, as the media and academia are not exactly offering the full picture.

Advocating very financially and socially costly actions needs to be based on a firm premise from the start, not just some media soundbites or false/biased information.

A look into the actual data that is supposed to inform the IPCC reports can be quite revealing, as can a look at how that report itself is compiled.
 
I'm feeling a little warm and just had to remove my jumper. I can only conclude that the world is ending and cars should be banned.

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Of course it’s a made-up sketch but your response says more about you than anything else. You don’t seem to have much time for pensioners. There are plenty who are articulate, agile and numerate and could quite easily give someone a mouthful off the cuff while using their payment card without having to fumble for it, many of them on this board.

Then they should start posting, Plum!

It was meant in jest. I'll be a pensioner in 5 years as recently decided to retire at 60. Already looking forward to putting my card in the wrong way round at the supermarket till.
 
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Then they should start posting, Plum!

It was meant in jest. I'll be a pensioner in 5 years as recently decided to retire at 60. Already looking forward to putting my card in the wrong way round at the supermarket till.

Well, at 74 years of age I can put cards in the correct way round. Though use my phone to pay normally.
Don’t be afraid of modern day technology.
 
Well, at 74 years of age I can put cards in the correct way round. Though use my phone to pay normally.
Don’t be afraid of modern day technology.
Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many to so few
 
No they'll just have to scoop up or dig out all the plastic bottles and lids etc

Yes maybe if they're not recycled. But then not the straws... Any reduction of plastic waste is a positive.

This thread is incredible.. any form of positive change that will clearly benefit future generations and, if honest, is very little effort to change, is mocked, denigrated or a fictitious story involving an erudite pensioner is created to discount it. Same on the electric car thread... A total reluctance to change.. surely no one can believe that using fossil fuels is a good thing for the future.