Off Topic Climate change/ pollution

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Howdentiger2 said:
I think people also need to be more educated about just how non environmentally friendly hybrids/EVs are to produce. EVs create approx 40/45% more emissions to produce then a ICE car and then there's the whole ethical arguments of the way the minerals are mined in countries to get the bits they need for the batteries. I'm sure it'll change but ATM you'd need to drive an EV approx 50k miles before it becomes carbon neutral.

That's all before things like battery replacement, battery disposal and the like are talked about in both cost and emissions.
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I've worked in the oil industry most of my adult life, so can't harp on to anyone about the environment. But I do my own thing to try and look after the planet... Recycle plastic, that is probably shipped to Africa and burnt on a fire by children, not throw **** in the sea etc. Having an electric car saves me money on road tolls, insurance, tax incentives, half price servicing costs and now they're cheaper than diesel/petrol cars. My arguments are mainly that they're not as difficult to own at all, if you can charge overnight at home and actually save time and stress if you use the tech correctly.

The latest Chinese models, such as Nio, have a system where you pay a monthly subscription for your battery and it gets changed out when necessary. Once solid state batteries are developed more, which can be recycled easier, this will probably become more common. It won't be liked by those who want to pay a one off cost and then nothing else and that's fair enough.
 
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Heimdallr said:
I've worked in the oil industry most of my adult life, so can't harp on to anyone about the environment. But I do my own thing to try and look after the planet... Recycle plastic, that is probably shipped to Africa and burnt on a fire by children, not throw **** in the sea etc. Having an electric car saves me money on road tolls, insurance, tax incentives, half price servicing costs and now they're cheaper than diesel/petrol cars. My arguments are mainly that they're not as difficult to own at all, if you can charge overnight at home and actually save time and stress if you use the tech correctly.

The latest Chinese models, such as Nio, have a system where you pay a monthly subscription for your battery and it gets changed out when necessary. Once solid state batteries are developed more, which can be recycled easier, this will probably become more common. It won't be liked by those who want to pay a one off cost and then nothing else and that's fair enough.
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I think it should be down to personal choice all round, I'm not a fan of being forced down routes etc. if it works for the individual/family then go for it I say. I've had a fair few fully electric cars from BMW for extended periods of time to try out and have a play with etc and overall I do like them, the acceleration for example just can't be matched. But it just feels so lifeless and soulless, but I'm a huge driving fan so enjoy the noise and mechanical side of things.

As you say and as I did earlier, if you can charge at home and or work, plus do smaller journeys ( sub 200/250miles ) for 90% of the time then EVs definitely start to become a great option
 
TIGERSCAVE said:
There was a report on BBC Lancs about it Den... it was an August BH I think and those interviewed complained that there was nowhere to park to go for a Number 1 because spaces had been given up to charging points...
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That’s changed now
I’m passing there regularly and it was portakabins for a few weeks but back to normal now
Miserable ****s
 
DMD said:
For me, hybrid's seem to be the worst of both worlds, as you are carrying the additional weight and complexity of two power sources for what can only be marginal gains compared to what could have been available if the investment in research hadn't been cut back to virtually nothing once the ICE ban was announced.
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friend of mine has a hybrid. reckons he gets 65mpg. driving and braking keeps the battery charged.
 
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friend of mine has a hybrid. reckons he gets 65mpg. driving and braking keeps the battery charged.
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I had a car a few years back that was very close to that. Had the investment in research not been pulled, many cars would be there already too.
 
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I've always had this question in my mind re EV's. The government in this country makes £1 litre plus VAT on diesel and petrol. This bank rolls so much of what this country uses to survive. Could the country survive without this revenue. How long before EV's pay road tax and cars and drivers are charged per mile they do. Its well documented that EV's damage road surfaces far more than conventional combustion cars.
 
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TIGERSCAVE said:
I've always had this question in my mind re EV's. The government in this country makes £1 litre plus VAT on diesel and petrol. This bank rolls so much of what this country uses to survive. Could the country survive without this revenue. How long before EV's pay road tax and cars and drivers are charged per mile they do. Its well documented that EV's damage road surfaces far more than conventional combustion cars.
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Heavier = more damage (and multi storey car parks can’t handle all EVs)
 
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Howdentiger2 said:
EVs are pretty bad unless you can charge at home/work. The charging network just isn't there yet and you have to have way to many apps to cover all the different public charging points and there different owners. I'm currently in a hybrid and find it the best of both worlds
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I can’t foresee a time when a fair & adequate charging infrastructure will be in place.
 
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Sir Cheshire Ben said:
I can’t foresee a time when a fair & adequate charging infrastructure will be in place.
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2 huge problems straight off the bat are where and how do people charge who live in either high rise buildings/flats/apartments and those with no off street parking?. That's just 2 easy ones that nobody can answer.

The biggest one I see though is, where does all the extra draw to the grid come from?
 
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Howdentiger2 said:
2 huge problems straight off the bat are where and how do people charge who live in either high rise buildings/flats/apartments and those with no off street parking?. That's just 2 easy ones that nobody can answer.

The biggest one I see though is, where does all the extra draw to the grid come from?
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All those charged up on a windless night are all running on (so called) fossil fuels at the minute anyway, and that's not liable to change any decade soon. :emoticon-0105-wink:
 
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My sister lives in London, In Balham... nice street, but they are typical mid terrace houses. Its a first come first served parking area. Sometimes, she has to park in an adjacent road where she can find a space. So issues, 1. length of extension lead. 2. theft, someone unplugging and using your juice and 3. Health and Safety. Someone is gong to be claiming for falling over an extension lead. Don't lets start about city centre living in apartment blocks.
 
TIGERSCAVE said:
My sister lives in London, In Balham... nice street, but they are typical mid terrace houses. Its a first come first served parking area. Sometimes, she has to park in an adjacent road where she can find a space. So issues, 1. length of extension lead. 2. theft, someone unplugging and using your juice and 3. Health and Safety. Someone is gong to be claiming for falling over an extension lead. Don't lets start about city centre living in apartment blocks.
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Supermarkets, malls and parking garages installing charging points. They install 60-120kw charging points which charge 80% of a battery in about 45 minutes. On a 500km reach, that's 400km loaded up. Most ppl go shopping once a week and most don't drive over 400km a week.
 
DMD said:
For me, hybrid's seem to be the worst of both worlds, as you are carrying the additional weight and complexity of two power sources for what can only be marginal gains compared to what could have been available if the investment in research hadn't been cut back to virtually nothing once the ICE ban was announced.
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I think only someone who has an agenda against them would try and spin them as the worst of both worlds.

I’m in a hybrid, I do all my regular weekly driving (30 miles a day) on electricity for almost **** all £, and also not adding to local pollution. Then I have unlimited range with petrol when needed.

Also it self regenerates so well, even on an empty battery I still do over 50% of my mileage on regenerated electricity and get 80+ mpg returns.

It’s at its worst on a motorway, where I’m disappointed to get a 55mm return.

They are the best of both worlds and the only way I can see mass adoption working.
 
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