Off Topic Climate change/ pollution

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I accept that but I wonder what the reason is for saying that the West buys China's goods whenever people say that China should reduce their CO2
Why doesnt Extinction Rebellion protest in China if what they are wanting is to reduce emissions worldwide?
If the UK reduced their CO2 to zero it would make very little difference if China still has massive CO2

I imagine Extinction Rebellion don't protest in China because they'd end up in some sort of political prison or being deported. I also guess it's difficult to get there without flying.

I'm not a supporter of Extinction Rebellion but it's fairly obvious that theyd protest in the country where they're based. China has large levels of CO2 production because it's become the world's manufacturer over the last 50 years. I imagine it is a better use of protest to get the customer to reduce their consumption of goods, rather than go head to head with an authoritarian government. I'm against dumping toxic chemicals in the oceans, but I'm going to get angry and remonstrate more if someone flytips on my land.

I'm not polarised either way and have effectively profited from carbon production, but there are some things that the environmental groups an lobbies say, that make sense. Oil is finite and will run out eventually. It's better to have renewable energy sources in place before hand, especially as the world population isn't shrinking. I don't know enough about the effects of CO2 to have a strong opinion either way, but filling the water systems with plastic particles and herbicides isn't going to end well. I also see no benefit with chopping down rainforests and emitting too many manmade chemicals into our air. It's a balance, isn't it, of having a relatively luxurious life now, but leaving the world in a good state for our children/grandchildren.
 
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I don’t see how this thread is still going tbh
We have a no politics rule
And even when it isn’t touching on politics it’s just entrenched views that won’t be changed
 
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I don’t see how this thread is still going tbh
We have a no politics rule
And even when it isn’t touching on politics it’s just entrenched views that won’t be changed

I have been wondering the same thing.

I don't know about the UK or elsewhere, but in the US there is a lot of common ground between the otherwise divided political parties on this issue. I am a conservative Republican, but am the CEO of a hydrogen energy company. We produce carbon negative hydrogen for both mobility and power generation, replacing fossil fuel sources in both sectors. I have a lot of backing and support from the entire swath of the political spectrum. To keep it that way, and for many other reasons, my company is 100% privately funded and we will not entertain public funding of any sort. This keeps the politics and ideology out.
 
if climate change is caused by human related carbon emissions shouldnt we be making sure that China cuts their CO2 (presently 27%) rather than the UK (presently less than 1%)
I dont see the logic in saying China shouldnt cut their CO2 because the West buys their goods
Yes of course we should. But how can we do so when our own country isn’t taking the issue seriously ourselves. If we sort ourselves out, we have the justification for preaching to others.
 
You seem to be creating a view you claim I hold and then arguing against it.

I'll leave you to argue with yourself rather than try to untangle that post.
I’m afraid your post is just a riddle. Provide a tangible solution to the climate problem.
 
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Yes of course we should. But how can we do so when our own country isn’t taking the issue seriously ourselves. If we sort ourselves out, we have the justification for preaching to others.
The UK has less than 1% of CO2 whereas China has 27%
I dont know that Exstinction Rebellion even demonstrate outside the Chinese embassy
They certainly dont demonstrate in China
 
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At least we have the beginnings of a plan for locking up the climate migrants.
 
I don’t see how this thread is still going tbh
We have a no politics rule
And even when it isn’t touching on politics it’s just entrenched views that won’t be changed
The choice is yours though Chazz, this thread is what it is. Just don't look if it bothers you, it's quite easy to do. I don't agree with the gambling thread but I manage to ignore that without any bother.
 
The choice is yours though Chazz, this thread is what it is. Just don't look if it bothers you, it's quite easy to do. I don't agree with the gambling thread but I manage to ignore that without any bother.
We have a no politics rule on this board
There’s politics all over
It
Hope this helps
 
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We have a no politics rule on this board
There’s politics all over
It
Hope this helps
It helps, but what's the point of ignoring an existential crisis such as this? It's not going away any time soon, it's going to get way worse. Surely the ban was in place because the conversation has gotten personal previously? I haven't really seen that on this thread.
 
It helps, but what's the point of ignoring an existential crisis such as this? It's not going away any time soon, it's going to get way worse. Surely the ban was in place because the conversation has gotten personal previously? I haven't really seen that on this thread.

That **** is on the transfer thread and the match day thread.
 
People like extinction rebellion serve a purpose. Their campaign is directly guaranteed to fail, but they raise awareness and get people talking about issues that are otherwise probably tomorrows problem.
 
Fair point, but I'm not sure that Chazz can complain when there's examples of his personal attacks all over the board.
 
The point of the no politics rule, is to avoid party politics and the arguments they generate, that then spread across numerous threads. There's plenty of threads that could be said to contain a political element, but as long as they stay on the the specific topic that the thread is about and don't degenerate into party politics, then we tend to leave them alone. There's comments on this thread that have gone beyond that and have been deleted, but in the main, it's been a fairly decent debate.
 
I don’t see how this thread is still going tbh
We have a no politics rule
And even when it isn’t touching on politics it’s just entrenched views that won’t be changed
Absolutely agree on this. This is a very political thread. V interesting the way the Covid thread was shut down when the government were (correctly) coming under huge flak, yet this is allowed to flourish at a time when those of a right wing persuasion have spotted a possible escape clause over the Ulez/Uxbridge effect. It is a difficult job for mods, as politics impinges on everything. But this thread just allows politicised polarised views to be aired.
 
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Absolutely agree on this. This is a very political thread. V interesting the way the Covid thread was shut down when the government were (correctly) coming under huge flak, yet this is allowed to flourish at a time when those of a right wing persuasion have spotted a possible escape clause over the Ulez/Uxbridge effect. It is a difficult job for mods, as politics impinges on everything. But this thread just allows politicised polarised views to be aired.

I think your issue stems from assuming a political slant to opinions on science, and I think that's where some of the 'blindness' arises on both sides. I don't see anyone making Party Political points on this thread, and mainstream parties share similar views anyway.

It sounds more like an excuse to try to get the conversation shut down.