Off Topic Climate Change & Nature thread
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In the very long term this country could end up colder than New York. It's the Gulf Stream that keeps us warm, and that is running down. I don't expect this to be in my lifetime, but it just shows how unpredictable the slow process is. The worst sufferers atm are low-lying Pacific Islands, which are being hit by rising sea levels.
This is the bit that worries me the most as we in the UK are screwing ourselves by heading in one direction when it could be the wrong direction.
And, genuine question, when sea levels were much, much higher in the past, long before anything to do with human actions (think of the white cliffs of Dover being the sea bed) where were those Pacific Island then ?
My step-brother is a geologist. Maybe he could answer that but he lives in Australia.
The Pacific Islands are volcanic.
They have only appeared in very recent geological time.
I think Hawaii is one of the oldest, but it's only been there a few million years.
They have only appeared in very recent geological time.
I think Hawaii is one of the oldest, but it's only been there a few million years.
Good point @lardiman - I hadn’t remembered that.
So anyone living on a recently formed island, (in Geological terms) just above sea-level, will always be in jeopardy from rising sea levels. Circle of life I’m afraid and at least thanks to the modern world and our technological advances (which we couldn’t have made without oil, coal etc) they have a means of escape.
And this is the thing - in my opinion, we shouldn’t go backwards to try to go forwards. It won’t work. We need to keep striving forwards to try to solve problems and accept that there will be negatives along that route.
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Most people living on recently formed Islands are in rather more danger from volcanic eruptions than rising sea levels methinks.
Sea levels rise relatively slowly.
Granted, Tsunamis can devastate Islands & coastlines. But they are usually caused by undersea Earthquakes.
A phenomenon related to volcanic activity.
Rising sea levels will wipe out many Island Nations eventually. Maybe a Century from now.
The English speaking ones would have a fair claim for asylum here in my view, as they will have been Colonies of the Empire at some point.
I would expect no less from the Commonwealth, if situations were reversed.
Canada and/or Australia would hopefully extend asylum to UK citizens if our Islands became uninhabitable for some reason.
Sea levels rise relatively slowly.
Granted, Tsunamis can devastate Islands & coastlines. But they are usually caused by undersea Earthquakes.
A phenomenon related to volcanic activity.
Rising sea levels will wipe out many Island Nations eventually. Maybe a Century from now.
The English speaking ones would have a fair claim for asylum here in my view, as they will have been Colonies of the Empire at some point.
I would expect no less from the Commonwealth, if situations were reversed.
Canada and/or Australia would hopefully extend asylum to UK citizens if our Islands became uninhabitable for some reason.
There’s no room left now let alone in 100 years - thank god my toes would have curled up by then !
Indeed. I've been taking it seriously for over 40 years now, but that doesn't mean I'm not going to enjoy life. You can only do so much to minimise your contribution to pollution and climate change, but I do wish that interest in environmental affairs was more mainstream.
Don’t know which party you’d now vote for if you ‘take the climate crisis seriously’.
I’m afraid The Greens have just become an extreme left wing ideology party now. They’ve been hijacked by Polanski and his like.
Apart from Reform, who are Deniers, there's nothing to choose between the other parties, so it needn't be a factor in casting a vote.
Deniers ? Leave it, leave it.
Seriously though, if you are committed to trying to stop climate change (however impossible that is) how do you get a party elected who will support that cause.
The Greens are now only interested in legalising all drugs, supporting Hamas and gender rights.
Seriously though, if you are committed to trying to stop climate change (however impossible that is) how do you get a party elected who will support that cause.
The Greens are now only interested in legalising all drugs, supporting Hamas and gender rights.
Wouldn't it be nice to have an honest Party.
Here's what we need to fix.
Here's what it's going to cost.
Here's how long it will take.
If voters want everything in our society to work properly, I would guess Income Tax would have to go up to around
40% basic, 80% higher.
Would generate around £100 billion per year?
For that, we should be able to have good hospitals, good policing, good housing, good education, good social care etc.
And 100% renewable or carbon free energy.
Here's what we need to fix.
Here's what it's going to cost.
Here's how long it will take.
If voters want everything in our society to work properly, I would guess Income Tax would have to go up to around
40% basic, 80% higher.
Would generate around £100 billion per year?
For that, we should be able to have good hospitals, good policing, good housing, good education, good social care etc.
And 100% renewable or carbon free energy.
Hitler did it for Germany. I doubt that Nige has the kahunas.
Still, his chum Yusuf made me laugh today talking about Reform returning the UK to Christian values
Perhaps he can lead the way by converting.
Unless of course it was just a slip of the tongue and he really meant Trumpian values.
He doesn’t need to. It’s the mark of an honest and good politician that he can put the interests of the country before his own personal beliefs. Shame other politicians can’t do the same.Hitler did it for Germany. I doubt that Nige has the kahunas.
Still, his chum Yusuf made me laugh today talking about Reform returning the UK to Christian values
Perhaps he can lead the way by converting.
I doubt many will believe he puts Reform UK's interpretation of Christianity above his own religion.
Pandering to the very people who would have him and his beliefs expelled from this Country.
Apologies, I have drifted off topic...
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