City transfer thread

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SydneyTiger14 said:
And this is where we got to yesterday. I'm all for discussing the pros and cons of players, but does it really have to descend into personal abuse just because you don't agree?
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Yeah , stand up to them knockers Mate. remember the oath of the Southern X.
 
Quill said:
<laugh> Add another 3 assists onto that 5 (which is over half of what he got) and you'll be much closer. You really should learn to count.

Where his stats not similar to Maloney? Was he over 30?

In fact, I think his stats were worse than Maloney's. What are your thoughts on Koren?
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I did say almost half and then pointed out that whilst his wasn't as good he was playing as a RWB not an out an out winger. That 5 assist was also better than 3 out of Maloney's 4 PL seasons. And the one better season from Maloney he only got one more assist than Elmo last year.

Koren was not over 30, no.

Like I said, as a FA, at a time when we didn't have two quid to rub together, I was happy to see him come in. We're in a bit of a healthier position now.
 
SydneyTiger14 said:
When we went up into the PL in 13, one of the key things with buying players to create a squad to keep us up was having youth in the side of a quality that would mean that if we did have to then sell them, we'd get good value - as has happened with Chez and Brady. For instance with guys like Robertson and Maguire.

I'm not saying you look at a player as soon as they're through the door and rub your hands together thinking "Excellent! That's probably a 5m profit in a year or two!" but having some foresight and not being entirely myopic is probably a good thing.
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But we didn't sign them at the time thinking "they'll go for **** loads", we signed them because we wanted good players and they were available to buy. The fact that we sold them for a decent profit is a bonus, but it shouldn't dictate how fans perceive the player. I'm not saying we wouldn't get money for the likes of A-Bob and Maguire, just that it's not important right now. If there was a bidding war over them then it'd be different, we as fans would want the best value for the club, but that's the only time money should really come into it. The focus should be on how good the player will get, not how much money the club will get when they sell him.

I know I go on about it, but I honestly don't give a **** how old a player is. Imagine this scenario:

There are two strikers in the league below us, a 30 year old who managed 28 goals and a 23 year old who managed 15. Which one do you go for, based on those stats? The one that scored the most goals, obviously.
 
SydneyTiger14 said:
I did say almost half and then pointed out that whilst his wasn't as good he was playing as a RWB not an out an out winger. That 5 assist was also better than 3 out of Maloney's 4 PL seasons. And the one better season from Maloney he only got one more assist than Elmo last year.

Koren was not over 30, no.

Like I said, as a FA, at a time when we didn't have two quid to rub together, I was happy to see him come in. We're in a bit of a healthier position now.
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And like I said, you really need to actually look at performances over statistics. Something only the ignorant solely focus on.
 
Sterling Archer said:
But we didn't sign them at the time thinking "they'll go for **** loads", we signed them because we wanted good players and they were available to buy. The fact that we sold them for a decent profit is a bonus, but it shouldn't dictate how fans perceive the player. I'm not saying we wouldn't get money for the likes of A-Bob and Maguire, just that it's not important right now. If there was a bidding war over them then it'd be different, we as fans would want the best value for the club, but that's the only time money should really come into it. The focus should be on how good the player will get, not how much money the club will get when they sell him.

I know I go on about it, but I honestly don't give a **** how old a player is. Imagine this scenario:

There are two strikers in the league below us, a 30 year old who managed 28 goals and a 23 year old who managed 15. Which one do you go for, based on those stats? The one that scored the most goals, obviously.
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Of course not, but would you rather have done what we did in the PL and sign a good blend of youth and experience or go out and sign the Rio Ferdinand's and Joey Barton's of the league, get relegated, and realise that we had no sell-able assets, no way to raise any money to buy players to get us promoted, and end up in a rutt?

I absolutely agree, that in the short term, you go for the player who on paper will perform. But if you do that you end up turning over players year after year, getting no continuity in the side, and ending up like a Wigan, who held on to Premier League status for dear life for as long as they could and have now collapsed in a thud. Fulham the same.
 
Quill said:
And like I said, you really need to actually look at performances over statistics. Something only the ignorant solely focus on.
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I didn't say I solely focussed on that, did I? That was your presumption. But as I have repeatedly said, if he's off playing in the MLS, and there aren't mid- to lower-table Championship clubs trying to fight us off for him, he's hardly an in demand player is he?
 
Tell you what, like I said yesterday. If he signs and plays well, I'll be happy as pie as the rest of you and will happy to receive all the abuse and degrading remarks you see fit to shower on me - even though of course I'm not the only one unenthused with him joining - and if he comes and plays a less than inspiring role in the side I'll be unhappy and moaning like the rest of you too.
 
Also as a bit of self-defence about my judgement of age - in AFL here (cue the we don't give a **** etc. remarks) 32 is basically retirement age, I always forget that football players play a bit longer. Still think he's past it though. :P
 
SydneyTiger14 said:
Of course not, but would you rather have done what we did in the PL and sign a good blend of youth and experience or go out and sign the Rio Ferdinand's and Joey Barton's of the league, get relegated, and realise that we had no sell-able assets, no way to raise any money to buy players to get us promoted, and end up in a rutt?

I absolutely agree, that in the short term, you go for the player who on paper will perform. But if you do that you end up turning over players year after year, getting no continuity in the side, and ending up like a Wigan, who held on to Premier League status for dear life for as long as they could and have now collapsed in a thud. Fulham the same.
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But that's my point, people harp on about age being such an important factor in terms of playing ability and potential fees etc, but in reality it doesn't matter; if he's part of a side who gets us promoted then he's a means to an end, such is football. It's good to have constants in the side, totally agree, it's why I think keeping hold of Thudd, Elmo and (sigh) Meyler is important.

In Fulham's case, they lost pretty much their entire first team squad as it was poached and they had to rebuild, they just couldn't name a settled side.
 
SydneyTiger14 said:
Of course not, but would you rather have done what we did in the PL and sign a good blend of youth and experience or go out and sign the Rio Ferdinand's and Joey Barton's of the league, get relegated, and realise that we had no sell-able assets, no way to raise any money to buy players to get us promoted, and end up in a rutt?

I absolutely agree, that in the short term, you go for the player who on paper will perform. But if you do that you end up turning over players year after year, getting no continuity in the side, and ending up like a Wigan, who held on to Premier League status for dear life for as long as they could and have now collapsed in a thud. Fulham the same.
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I don't get what your point is - we seem to have signed a few young players and in Taylor and Maloney experienced ones - we're not actually signing loads of old players are we? What are you on about?
 
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Sterling Archer said:
But that's my point, people harp on about age being such an important factor in terms of playing ability and potential fees etc, but in reality it doesn't matter; if he's part of a side who gets us promoted then he's a means to an end, such is football. It's good to have constants in the side, totally agree, it's why I think keeping hold of Thudd, Elmo and (sigh) Meyler is important.

In Fulham's case, they lost pretty much their entire first team squad as it was poached and they had to rebuild, they just couldn't name a settled side.
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I'm talking pre-relegation for Fulham. They brought in guys like Berbatov and Bent up top who really did two-fifths of **** all for them instead of going after younger hungrier options, and when they went down Berbatov skipped off on a freebie.
 
Walter Sobchak said:
I don't get what your point is - we seem to have signed a few young players and in Taylor and Maloney experienced ones - we're not actually signing loads of old players are we? What are you on about?
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Well as was previously said, I'd classify experience as 25-26. Also we already have a fair bit of experience. As Bruce has said recently his aim was to bring in youth to balance out our generally older squad.
 
SydneyTiger14 said:
I'm talking pre-relegation for Fulham. They brought in guys like Berbatov and Bent up top who really did two-fifths of **** all for them instead of going after younger hungrier options, and when they went down Berbatov skipped off on a freebie.
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But that's easy to say in hindsight, at the time they were probably rubbing their hands together, I know I would've been.
 
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