City transfer thread

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Doesn't matter what the FA thinks though, it's down to WADA, who as I understand it have a blanket four year ban on the use of performance enhancing drugs - of which cocaine is considered one - on matchdays.

The FA have a mandatory 2 year ban. Doesn't matter what the WADA or the FA say if the Courts find the ban to be illegal.
 
The FA have a mandatory 2 year ban. Doesn't matter what the WADA or the FA say if the Courts find the ban to be illegal.

Lol, the courts won't find that given the hundreds of cases that have set the precedent on bans resulting from the use of prohibited substances.
 
I think I saw a comment on twitter yesterday that our starting XI yesterday was far and away better than anyone in the league's. Clearly not true based on the result. I think we're looking at names on paper and being sucked into thinking that the players are the players they once were. Jela, Hudd, even Meyler particularly yesterday, are not nearly consistent enough for us if we want to push on.
I don't think our problem is down to lack of ability. It's more down to lack of tactics. Why is it a good idea to play 10 passes around the back while we wait for us to make one mistake. I agree that Robertson seemed to be aiming for the defenders arse when he tried to cross. I was pleasantly surprised by Hernandez. I don't blame Jelavic because he had very little opportunity. I remember once he went up for a ball and for a long time it was obvious the only thing he could do was head it left but nobody even tried to get to the left.
 
Two clubs failed to buy the player, Bristol have a completely different financial set up to ours and yet you not only attack our owners. Show me the evidence that we only bid £4-5m. Everyone knows that we are restricted by FFP rules and that as a club we have reduced our wage bill. Could it have been that we would not pay him the weekly wages he demanded? Just like Bristol?

Very poor post from you Fez. You should have stopped after the first sentence.

We failed for the (possible, but likely) reasons I have offered; Bristol failed because he did not want to move there. Why would I bother with Bristol? I don't support them and their business model (financial set-up) is of no interest to me. Clearly, you are all knowing again, but what relevance it has is beyond me.

So you think our owners are exercising a strongly thought through transfer policy, do you? Good for you; I'll question it, you defend it. Do you think that if we had offered that same as Burnley that we would have lost his transfer - if we offered more than my suggested figure of £4-5M, but not enough, it could only realistically of been the £500K that was popularly discussed at the time was that such a leap of faith for a proven striker we so desperately need?
Can you describe to me your reasoning over how you believe FFP rules would have been an hindrance to his move? Do you really believe Bruce would have been so far out on his experienced assessment of where the wage demand would be? Do you believe Burnley would have broken the bank on wages? You know that wages were a problem for Bristol do you? Can you tell me what his demands were?

Instead of trying to be a clever bugger and telling me I shouldn't post, I would advise you to give your own more thought; but do keep posting them as they amuse. <ok>
 
Morning (to most...)

I often read this but have never got involved so have taken a quiet Sunday morning to start!

Sorry if this has been mentioned recently but I can't be doing with reading the last 20+ pages. Do we still have Palacios on trial? Is he not fit enough even for the bench? Surely SB is fearing the loss of Thudd if he's still here!
 
Morning (to most...)

I often read this but have never got involved so have taken a quiet Sunday morning to start!

Sorry if this has been mentioned recently but I can't be doing with reading the last 20+ pages. Do we still have Palacios on trial? Is he not fit enough even for the bench? Surely SB is fearing the loss of Thudd if he's still here!

As far as I'm aware he's still on trial, but without a contract he can only play reserve games.
 
My point is, we are getting some decent midfielders back within the next few months. Diame, Snodgrass, Maloney inbound and Livermore pending FA decision. I'm not really worried about getting an attacking midfielder in and hope Thudd goes if his head isn't in the championship because we can't afford to carry him because of his potential.

I agree with you now we have Maloney almost over the threshold. We shouldn't be ****ing about on proven striker transfers; it will be interesting to see what is next, although we lost the real one.
 
We failed for the (possible, but likely) reasons I have offered; Bristol failed because he did not want to move there. Why would I bother with Bristol? I don't support them and their business model (financial set-up) is of no interest to me. Clearly, you are all knowing again, but what relevance it has is beyond me.

So you think our owners are exercising a strongly thought through transfer policy, do you? Good for you; I'll question it, you defend it. Do you think that if we had offered that same as Burnley that we would have lost his transfer - if we offered more than my suggested figure of £4-5M, but not enough, it could only realistically of been the £500K that was popularly discussed at the time was that such a leap of faith for a proven striker we so desperately need?
Can you describe to me your reasoning over how you believe FFP rules would have been an hindrance to his move? Do you really believe Bruce would have been so far out on his experienced assessment of where the wage demand would be? Do you believe Burnley would have broken the bank on wages? You know that wages were a problem for Bristol do you? Can you tell me what his demands were?

Instead of trying to be a clever bugger and telling me I shouldn't post, I would advise you to give your own more thought; but do keep posting them as they amuse. <ok>

I don't think FFP comes into it at the moment, we've cleared out enough to have been clear of FFP and to have been able to make the transfer for Gray. I'm sure OLM and Brett Dilkington posted these points.

I think it is simply the Allams wanting to take out circa 70% of the money they have tied up in the first team squad. Burns did touch on something that transfers were taking a while Odubajo/Gray - subsequently Gray. It's as if the board want to be seen to be doing the right thing without actually doing it.
 
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Morning (to most...)

I often read this but have never got involved so have taken a quiet Sunday morning to start!

Sorry if this has been mentioned recently but I can't be doing with reading the last 20+ pages. Do we still have Palacios on trial? Is he not fit enough even for the bench? Surely SB is fearing the loss of Thudd if he's still here!
Palacios: "Boss, I get tired sitting on the bench".
 
Can you point me to a court case which sets a precedent? They are the only precedents that matter.

Aren't most of these cases are decided in court?

I know the ongoing one in Australia with Essendon was decided by a tribunal, so I suppose not a court, but it's being appealed by WADA (who are disagreeing with ASADA's stance on the verdict) so I suppose we'll see.

I guess I just would be highly skeptical of us bothering to wrangle this through the courts when it's so cut and dry.
 
Aren't most of these cases are decided in court?

I know the ongoing one in Australia with Essendon was decided by a tribunal, so I suppose not a court, but it's being appealed by WADA (who are disagreeing with ASADA's stance on the verdict) so I suppose we'll see.

I guess I just would be highly skeptical of us bothering to wrangle this through the courts when it's so cut and dry.

No most of them are decided internally. Assem Allam stands to lose £8 million (less what he gets back, if anything from Jake Livermore). Quite a big incentive to push the FA to let him off. If it was so cut and dried he'd have been banned by now.
 
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No most of them are decided internally. Assem Allam stands to lose £8 million (less what he gets back, if anything from Jake Livermore). Quite a big incentive to push the FA to let him off. If it was so cut and dried he'd have been banned by now.

The FA has no say in whether or not he can be let off. It's down to WADA. They're a bit big for AA to take on.
 
As I've already said, players found to have taken drugs in Pre-Season (February) down here only got suspended two weeks ago, and the club isn't challenging it. These things take a fair while for one reason or another.
 
Who banned Jose Baxter, the FA or the WADA?

The FA, that doesn't mean they can let the player off, as WADA would appeal it and have him banned. ASADA do the bans here, but WADA can appeal, as they are currently doing on one set of cases.

It would be to streamline and minimise the amount of cases WADA have to oversee, rather than any sort of actual power the FA has.