Transfer Rumours City Transfer Thread - Jan 19

Discussion in 'Hull City' started by Top_Tiger, Dec 27, 2018.

  1. Dave Andersen

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    Of course, but l would estimate we sold about 25,000, did 15,000+ boycott? I think not, plenty who don't go now we're at Wembley (myself and family included)
     
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  2. Barchullona

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    The novelty of Wembley had worn off? Someone once claimed that in the HDM comments section. Nowt to do with our wonderful owners.
     
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  3. LeftSaidFred

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    I don't know the exact numbers but it was a mass protest against those awful tossers, so its impossible to say we would have filled our allocation, but who's to say we wouldn't have?
     
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  4. Billy Big Bollocks.

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    It hardly ever shouted from the roof tops but all the big crowds ever assembled for a sporting occasion in this city were at Boothferry Park for football and for Hull City. The RL clubs in comparison, despite winning more silverware then City, both played from tin pot little grounds in front of small crowds. I was once at the old Craven Park for a game between Rovers and Featherstone in the late 60's and they were delighted with a crowd of just over 6,000. It was considered massive for them. I'd been in bigger crowds then that to watch City reserves.
    If FC ever attracted over 10,000 it too was considered a huge crowd when at the same time City could get over 40,000 for an old 3rd division league game. This was the mid 60's, and during Carters reign crowds of that size were common. 50,000 plus for a league game against Rotherham. That is some support for a club that had never won anything.
    Of course the counter argument is that City haven't had a crowd over 30,000 since the mid 70's. But the reason for this are never given, which is Boothferry Park had its capacity severely cut and we couldn't get a decent crowd even in we wanted. The RL clubs in the meantime have never had 30,000 for a league game in Hull. Not even when they play each other.
    The chance of winning silverware has always been a crowd puller in both sports and it is far easier to win something in rugby league then it is in football because the sport in tiny in comparison. Look at FC in this years Challenge Cup, they enter the competition in the 6th round, win that and they are in the last 8, or two games from a Wembley Final.
    Hull is only a rugby town in the eyes of those paid to push and promote the sport.
     
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  5. Steven Toast

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    Since he started. Who do you think sets the prices for player sales on behalf of the club? Ehab?
     
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  6. City Man

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    I'm assuming the same person/people who insist on deciding ticketing/pricing arrangements, who seem to trust no-one, who centralise all decision-making and who have a track record of making a hash of things
     
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  7. Kempton

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    Ehab yes.
     
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  8. GLP

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    There’ll no doubt be many suitors. There’s not many free scoring attacking players outside of the teams likely for promotion from this division that are of his quality and age.
     
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  9. Steven Toast

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    He's effectively a director of football, so he handles both incomings and outgoings. It's different at every club, but as far as I'm aware, LD is heavily involved in the processes of both selling and buying players. He certainly arranges for loan deals in terms of younger players, so I don't see why he wouldn't be involved in the selling process either.

    Ehab will certainly take control of the money side of it, that's for damn sure, but I think LD's role is more than just scouting players, otherwise he'd have just come in as a chief scout.
     
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  10. City Man

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    We have a recent history of selling players cheap usually because know nowt people think they're doing great business.

    E.g Shane Long - bought for 6 mill in Jan 2014 , then sold six months later for 12 million.

    Fantastic business thought someone at the club, conveniently forgetting we were left with Aluko again and the price for decent strikers was 12 mill upwards..
     
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  11. Billy Big Bollocks.

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    The same Aluko who we gave a way for nothing and was later sold for £8m.
    There was more to the Long sale then simply doubling our money. He wanted to be away. As did Snodgrass when he was sold.
    We did good business with Tom Ince though and Sam Clucas. Also took a gamble on Robertson and Maguire which paid off. Robbo was nearly sold to Burnley for £2m and Maguire could easily have become a Boro player for a fraction of what we eventually got for him. Both Brucie signings and both on his watch. You win some you lose some.
     
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  12. Steven Toast

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    So we doubled our money. Long wasn't an amazing striker, he was a good one. He also wanted to leave. Doubling a player's value, one that isn't brilliant, is pretty good business if you look at it objectively. We didn't pay a massive fee for Jelavic (relatively speaking), he was decent enough. We got Hernandez for £10m, that wasn't a bad deal either.

    In the days of silly money in football, it's easy to get caught up in the furore surrounding transfer fees we get. Maguire felt like a mugging, because he was genuinely a good player, but most on here said Robertson would be a benchwarmer for Liverpool, it's only retrospectively that we look now and see how much he could be worth. £8m wasn't enough, but at the time what would a fairer price have been for a left back? We're sat here saying we shouldn't deny Bowen a move to the PL, but A-Bob was in the exact same situation at the time, off the back of a relegation too, so why would we hold him to ransom?

    The real problem has been where that money has gone, it quite clearly hasn't been reinvested into the squad. The money we get from Bowen, however much it will be, would fund a decent recruitment drive in the Championship. Not a world beating one, but one that would allow us to make a few quality additions.
     
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  13. City Man

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    By the time Snodgrass was sold , they all wanted out (and why not?).

    Winds me up big time when people bang on about Klopp's genius on spotting/recruiting Robertson for only £8 mill..

    The most expensive mistake in our history?

    How many seasons of gate receipts could we have pocketed from Liverpool?

    Instead we sell him dirt cheap and focus on phantom fiddlers getting in on concessions.
     
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  14. Steven Toast

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    We banked around £40m in player sales when we came down from the Premier League. Plus parachute payments. We spent about £12m on players last season. Ehab's guff about wages and other player costs doesn't wash, does it?
     
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  15. City Man

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    Not having that.

    Plenty of silly ****s on here talk bollocks about the defects of our players. (Incidentally,bloody rubbish De Gea...get rid Ole etc....see how easy it is?)

    Robbo was a young British international left footed speedy left back who improved consistently throughout his time here ....how could he only be worth 8 mil?????

    For the record, a know nowt like me rated Robbo and Maguire both 20 million. and Clucas at 10. That's based on what similar players were going for at the time.

    Let's see how much Bowen goes for ...current values I'd say £25 million. ...in reality it will be 10 with some dork as a makeweight and sell ons.....
     
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  16. Steven Toast

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    He's worth whatever the buying club pay for him. If we had sat there and said "we want £20m", Liverpool wouldn't have paid it because they didn't value him at that price. Robbo had us by the nuts, he wanted to go to Liverpool, we weren't going to stand in his way, so that makes it much easier for Liverpool. We also famously had to slash our wage budget, so they knew we would have wanted a quick sell. He wasn't worth £20m at the time. He's also Scottish, saying he's British doesn't do anything if the nation he represents get bummed by the likes of Borat's lads on a regular basis. He also had a year left on his contract, so had we blocked a move, he would have moved for relative pittance in January or left on a free in the Summer.

    We managed to squeeze an extra £5m out of Swansea for Clucas, we rejected a £10m bid from them before, so it's not like we don't do decent business on outgoings at all.

    If Bowen goes onto to be some sort of world beater, and we accept £25m, we will inevitably look back and say we should have got more. Except we shouldn't, because he isn't worth silly money to other clubs, only to us. Cairney left for £300,000 when he went to Blackburn from City, but was rated at £20m by West Ham and £30m by Fulham. When he left, he couldn't get into Steve Bruce's side and ended the season as a substitute. It's just the way it is, the club is run like a business and the chance to double or quadruple the money paid in a player is rarely going to be turned down.
     
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  17. originallambrettaman

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    We got £10m for Robertson, not enough, but it didn’t seem a complete disaster at the time.

    We sold Clucas for three or four times what he was worth. Swings and roundabouts.
     
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  18. TIGERSCAVE

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    The we let Aluko go for free and he was subsequently sold for £6 million,...
     
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  19. Barchullona

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    Don't forget the largest ever crowd for an FC v Rovers game was at Boothferry Park, 28,000. Same as Leeds where their record local derby crowd, Leeds v Hunslet was at the football ground. Though that was 54,000.
    Could still get over 30,000 in BP early 1980s, 32,000 I think, but even then they only got 28,000 for the international game.
     
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  20. howdentiger

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    No there isn't, I just think we way the prem is these days the teams will possibly look overseas for cheaper first. We all know he's a £20m+ player but the markets a strange one and so are our owners
     
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