Chris Hughton

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Rob I think you should calm down, is it not a prerequisite of this board that we do not tolerate personal insults Dave ?
 
Rob I think you should calm down, is it not a prerequisite of this board that we do not tolerate personal insults Dave ?

Where are the personal insults I have just written?

Get your facts straight.

How about you read through Munky's comments to me, where you will find personal insults abandon.
 
For goodness sake can we ALL calm down and BTW rob you did tell munky to **** off. You both appear to be trading insults and it doesn't make good reading that is all <ok>
 
For the record, I have to agree with Rob on this discussion, Munky, I'm afraid you have surprised and disappointed me on this thread! If we can't all discuss without name-calling and slap-head smileys, I think it's a shame!
 
It's gone from hyperbole to hyperbollux in my opinion.

For what it's worth, I think the James Nursey column is spot on.
 
For goodness sake can we ALL calm down and BTW rob you did tell munky to **** off. You both appear to be trading insults and it doesn't make good reading that is all <ok>

Yes, and sorry to be annoying, but that's not a personal insult.

I accept it is insulting for you and for that I apologise.

If you read through Munky's posts, he has been patronising and offensive for no apparent reason and with no justification right from the start.
 
For the record, I have to agree with Rob on this discussion, Munky, I'm afraid you have surprised and disappointed me on this thread! If we can't all discuss without name-calling and slap-head smileys, I think it's a shame!

Thanks Dave

For what it's worth, I apologise wholeheartedly to everyone (including Munky) for the swearing. KIO is right, there's no need and it's not pretty.
 

From said article:

"Holt, 32 next week, is a work-horse who can bully defenders and did brilliantly last term with 17 goals but lacks pace and is unlikely to be at the club next season so I don't blame Hughton for currently giving quick MLS loanee Kei Kamara a chance to showcase his capabilities."

I've been castigated for saying the same on here but it seems someone agrees with me
 
Completely agree with everything except this. No need to wait until Christmas. If it isn't sorted by the end of September, I'll be vociferous in my criticism. That would give a new manager two months to get to know Hughton's players and really understand where they see the holes, a decent amount of time for us to get the "new manager bounce" before heading into the January transfer window with a clear picture of what's necessary. If we wait until December I think we could be (a) relegated or (b) in a situation where the new manager panic buys.

Fair point. I think September might be a little soon, as we didn't really get going until past then this season, and when we did get going, we did very well for a spell. But I agree with you that a new manager would benefit greatly from having time to get to know his squad. I suppose factor in which managers are available, and an appointment October-November would be reasonable.
 
From said article:

"Holt, 32 next week, is a work-horse who can bully defenders and did brilliantly last term with 17 goals but lacks pace and is unlikely to be at the club next season so I don't blame Hughton for currently giving quick MLS loanee Kei Kamara a chance to showcase his capabilities."

I've been castigated for saying the same on here but it seems someone agrees with me

Very interesting link, cheers for that Rob. On the topic of Holt leaving, I personally don't feel he'll go until next summer. Last season was really his last chance at being 'the main man' at a PL club, and whilst he hasn't played badly this season, Kamara has shown that Holt isn't the first name on the team sheet any longer. If he leaves now, I don't see him getting another 'main man' gig at a PL side, so if he's going to be a squad player, I imagine he'll see Norwich as as good as anywhere. If he was to stay for a 2014-15 season with Norwich, he'd be likely to be limited to Jackson-like appearances, so I could see him moving to a championship side further north next summer, to be closer to his family and get more first team football.
Obviously that doesn't account for the club deciding to cash in, but I don't think we'll get significant offers for him this summer, as he hasn't shone like last year.

Another interesting point in there was the goals conceded stats. We've let in 47, down from 66 last season. We debated earlier on whether we'd actually seen real improvements to the defence in terms of goals conceded, but a reduction from 2.13 to 1.56 goals a game is definitely significant.
 
From said article:

"Holt, 32 next week, is a work-horse who can bully defenders and did brilliantly last term with 17 goals but lacks pace and is unlikely to be at the club next season so I don't blame Hughton for currently giving quick MLS loanee Kei Kamara a chance to showcase his capabilities."

I've been castigated for saying the same on here but it seems someone agrees with me


I have also said this in more than one post, KIO. It is undoubtedly a possibility but does depend on our intended tactics for next season - Holty can still be a real distraction for defenders and a foil for a clinical striker if we're going to play 2 up front. He's had a really tough season with his lone role and the hamstring injury at Xmas.

Regarding Chris Hughton, I think it's madness to suggest he should be sacked - I entirely agree with the James Nursey mirror article. We need to get through the difficult second season in the Premiership then augment the squad with what should be a reasonable war-chest in the summer.
 
Well good to see you cast aside the olive branch. Previously you state:
(a) you disagree that Tettey is technically better than Fox; and
(b) you think my opinion of Lambert is hyperbole.

I'll deal with (a) below. Re. (b) - hyperbole requires a statement to be an obvious exaggeration. E.g. - "the weather today is Baltic" - hyperbole because while it is cold, I obviously do not think it is as cold as the Baltic. Given that I made it quite clear that these were my honest opinions, they, by definition, cannot be hyperbolic.

You've now brought in (c) the "assault"... Let's start with your delightfully dismissive "I'm sorry, but if you think Tettey is "technically better" than David Fox then we're clearly not to agree on much here." Charming. So you disagree with me on one point, ergo the whole of my argument must be disagreeable. I'll ask you again (given that you clearly didn't read it) - I assume on this basis that you disagree that Bassong, Turner and Snodgrass are technically better players than before?

You followed up with the expertly pointless, unnecessarily goading and, as I have explained, frankly wrong "Once again I totally agree, and find that first paragraph of Rob's hyperbole of the very highest order." The irony of the statement, no doubt you missed, being that, of course, you were being hyperbolic by saying "of the very highest order"...

Then the best of the lot: "So David Fox didn't play centre midfield last season then, the equivalent position to where Tettey plays? //And sorry, if you really think Tettey is a "damn sight better technically" than Fox then you clearly don't know what you're on about so I needn't bother wasting my time "working through" the rest of whatever bilge you put up

Lovely. Hence, I very much doubt you read my posts, given you told me you needn't bother... Such a strong, convincing way of arguing - the deliberate misinterpretation "so David Fox didn't play centre midfield" also demonstrated your tactic. All you posted to this point looked like trolling - nothing of substance and ignoring my perfectly cordial debate on the same subject with YellowLittle. No attempt to engage with any of my points and all you really provided was a supercilious and dismissive attitude to my post. Do you see my frustration?



Back to (a). Don't try the old straw man re. moving the goal posts. I made it quite clear that I think Tettey is technically better than Fox. My opinion. I never disagreed about the "POSITION". You may differ, but I have provided my reasoning (and my explanation for why it was difficult to compare, which is why I can understand differing opinions). You'll notice, and I've highlighted, that your best attempt is to simply contradict. You have not justified your point of view in any way.

I appreciate my first post wasn't very clearly worded, but if you bothered to read my posts you would see a thorough discussion and explanation with YellowLittle re the difficulty in comparing the two players (their style). I maintain that Tettey is better technically. I also maintain that they are completely different types of player and therefore my point is hard to prove (or disprove, as you have so eloquently demonstrated).



I apologise for the "**** fan" comment. It was unjustified. I

f you think you've come across brilliantly here you're sadly mistaken, you've been completely dismissive of my opinion with no explanation, sarcastic, rude, juvenile (resorting to school-ground insults and still doing so I notice...) and generally unable to argue your point.



I concede that the ability to change a game with a substitution is not unique to Lambert, but I hope you will do me the service (and not do Lambert the disservice) of accepting that he had a rare ability to get substitutions right far more often than not. How often did we score late on? How often did our substitutes score? How often did a substitution from Lambert change the balance of the game? It was one of his strongest attributes. Find me more than a couple of other managers in the world that could do the same and I'll be shocked. His ability was doubtless very rare, if not unique.

As for whether he had a "system", I don't think you give him enough credit. He regularly repeated formations (think diamond, or the three at the back), he also often used similar substitutions. These weren't on a whim - they were carefully planned. It was not chaos. Lambert's system was to be highly flexible. Other managers have different systems - think Pulis, Wenger or Rodgers - they are very rigid. That is the contrast to Lambert. His flexibility and unpredictability, given that, to my mind, it came across as measured (certainly he has continued it with less success at Villa) is a system by itself.

Which leads me nicely to...



You know full well "it" meant the system. Also, don't tell me you don't know SAF has a system. It involves (broadly) being strong on the break and counter-attacking. Don't also straw man me again with your "most successful" comment - I specifically stated I thought SAF would probably have done better, (given that he is the most successful manager of all time). The point is obviously that SAF has found success in his system and would implement it on our team. He wouldn't do what Lambert did, because that was Lambert's way. That's right, I rate Lambert highly. My apologies for having another opinion.

Yes, of course I write positively about this - it is my opinion. Given that it is almost unprovable (shy of SAF managing us, I wish...), it can't be anything other than opinion. So yes, it's there in black and white as you say. My honest opinion, not fact.



I hope you can appreciate how offensive and condescending you have been (and continue to be - another stellar highlight from you). I was (as you would have seen) and remain perfectly happy to debate. Except, you haven't debated so far. All I know currently is that:
(a) you don't seem to understand the word hyperbole;
(b) you believe Fox is technically better than Tettey; and
(c) you believe Lambert didn't have a system.
All of those are points that are capable of cordial debate, but all you have done, is contradict, insult and then slaphead. Not exactly a gold-medal-worthy Question Time style "performance". I hope we can move on.



A new, and genuinely interesting opinion. You've even backed it up with a reason. Coincidentally(!), I agree with you...

Could you go into more detail Rob?
 
Very good article that by nursery, sensible to say the least.
As for holt, regardless of what the club thinks, I'm sure he is not happy starting from the bench in recent weeks, although his goal haul is low (like everyones really), I can see him leaving in one of the next two transfer windows coming up
What i am also disaapointed with is his size. Ok there are probably factors we don't know, but he's clearly put timber on and not lost it. Remember how slim he was around the swans (a) game last season?
 
Very good article that by nursery, sensible to say the least.
As for holt, regardless of what the club thinks, I'm sure he is not happy starting from the bench in recent weeks, although his goal haul is low (like everyones really), I can see him leaving in one of the next two transfer windows coming up
What i am also disaapointed with is his size. Ok there are probably factors we don't know, but he's clearly put timber on and not lost it. Remember how slim he was around the swans (a) game last season?

This has been dealt with. He is not overweight. His weight is monitored by the club all the time. If he was overweight or his body fat went over a certain limit he'd be fined and wouldn't even be on the bench.
 
I assume he's not getting to watch us to often to write such nonsense.

That article explains absolutely nothing, no appreciation or acknowledgement of how the team are playing.

He talks about Ruddy being out but we have been incredibly lucky this season with injuries, we've never had players injured on mass for any sustained period.

Apparently Hughton drills the side intensely on shape this idiot informs us. A shape of four with another four sitting in front all game. It must be incredibly hard to get into the players heads such a complicated defensive arrangement. Hughton must be some kind of a magician.

And finally he even gets a "recipe for success" in there. Has anyone heard that one before.

You have the chance to write to thousands and he sticks that **** at the end.

Awful.
 
Out of all that report, if that warrants the word report? I'm just glad we didn't succeed in getting Hooper from Celtic. I mean what's the bloody point in buying strikers if we aren't going to make chances for them. Take Morison when he was at Norwich, we hardly ever played to his only strength, which was a ball on the ground passed on his right side for him to run onto to shoot. If Van Wolfswinkel is to be successful at Norwich then we MUST buy a attacking midfielder, get the ball out wide early, get crosses into the box early for him to have a fighting chance. But hold on a god damn minute, don't we have a 20 goal a season striker already? Yes we do Grant Holt I believe his name is, but he has to keep chasing back and defending so he's not getting too many chances, I wonder if van Wolfswinkel will be asked to do that?? Answers on a postcard to the next Norwich Manager please!