Cheltenham away

[YorkieLancsHampyLondoner]

Ptc, agree with all that you said, i thought we looked poor down the right side. Donacien for me is just not good enough, takes an age at throw ins, passing is poor, poor going forward and just looks uncomfortable in the right back position, far better as cb!! Fraser is not a right or left midfielder, he was bought as the best number ten in the division.....so Fecking play him there.
The two CB's done well imo, yes even Wolfy was better, maybe that was due to having Burgess beside him. Penney....hmmm not keen on him myself and look forward to Coulson coming in. My biggest concern at the back though is Hladky, just doesn't instill confidence in me, he looks quite small, maybe just an illusion though.
The rest.....Evans looked like a cm Maestro against Morecambe but since then he has looked less impressive, Harper has quality, Edwards will be our main threat and a handful, Fraser needs to play as a 10, Bonne is strong and quick, i think that miss may have dented his confidence a bit. Finally the Pig, not so sure on him, not that great in the air, not much pace and seems a little lost. To me he does not look like an out and out number 9.
I look forward to having some of the unavailable players available...

Hladky

KVY
Edmundson
Burgess
Coulson

Burns
Harper
Evans
Edwards

Bonne/Pig
Chaplin

Or something similar, i just think with the available players...442 is best but what do I know?

Holy in for Hladky for me.

Penney for Coulson in the XI. Coulson will be handy for cover in the full back positions and wings but he's not our player.
Unless there's a problem with Norwood I'd be putting him in.
Goes without saying I'd put Woolfy in.

Would have thought Tom Carroll is the best man to sit in front of the defence. If Edwards and Burns are wide then you're dropping Harper or Evans or playing five across the midfield, which is what I suspect will happen.

Don't understand for the life of me why we've brought in two loan forwards.

 

[Spanish]

I don't rate Hladky but feck me, Holy is much ****ererer!!
Penney i just don't rate, whether he is ours or not.....it's Coulson every day.
Wolfy....well that's just blind faith in your part Yorkie.

 

[YorkieLancsHampyLondoner]

I don't rate Hladky but feck me, Holy is much ****ererer!!
Penney i just don't rate, whether he is ours or not.....it's Coulson every day.
Wolfy....well that's just blind faith in your part Yorkie.

Whether or not he's the best defender remains to be seen, but he's the best of them on the ball and Burgess hoofing the ball up aimlessly was a problem for us yesterday.

 

[Spanish]

Burgess is by far the better defender, not being funny but the position is called defence. The aim is not to be like Iniesta but more like Puyol!!

 

[Spanish]

Feck me, even I'm losing the will with Yorkie now, sometimes you have to admit you may be wrong and if you think Wolfie is a better defender than Burgess because he passes better, then i say you have no idea with regards to football!!

 

[YorkieLancsHampyLondoner]

Feck me, even I'm losing the will with Yorkie now, sometimes you have to admit you may be wrong and if you think Wolfie is a better defender than Burgess because he passes better, then i say you have no idea with regards to football!!

If you keep conceding possession needlessly when you are not under pressure the opposition will have more of the ball and create more chances. Defending is more than tackling and heading the ball. Schoolboy stuff.

 

[Nuggets]

I think our strongest eleven, on paper, looks something like this:

GK: Hladky
LB: Coulson
CB: Edmondson
CB: Burgess
RB: Vincent-Young
CM: Harper
CM: Evans
AM: Fraser
LW: Edwards
RW: Chaplin
ST: Pigott

Although the first few games are a small sample size, I am really concerned with our defence. Of all the areas on the pitch, it is paramount that Cook and the coaching staff gets the defence organised and comfortable with one another. We're conceding far too many goals and look way too vulnerable over the course of 90 minutes. Hladky has been fairly poor, but our full-backs in particular have struggled to adapt to being a) effective attacking outlets in a 4-2-3-1 and b) cannot seem to get back fast enough to defend properly. I'm hoping KVY hasn't lost a yard of pace after his prolonged injuries, otherwise he won't be the same player that promised so much a year ago. Aside from Penney's goal last night, I don't think he's quite what require either.

 

[YorkieLancsHampyLondoner]

I think our strongest eleven, on paper, looks something like this:

GK: Hladky
LB: Coulson
CB: Edmondson
CB: Burgess
RB: Vincent-Young
CM: Harper
CM: Evans
AM: Fraser
LW: Edwards
RW: Chaplin
ST: Pigott

Although the first few games are a small sample size, I am really concerned with our defence. Of all the areas on the pitch, it is paramount that Cook and the coaching staff gets the defence organised and comfortable with one another. We're conceding far too many goals and look way too vulnerable over the course of 90 minutes. Hladky has been fairly poor, but our full-backs in particular have struggled to adapt to being a) effective attacking outlets in a 4-2-3-1 and b) cannot seem to get back fast enough to defend properly. I'm hoping KVY hasn't lost a yard of pace after his prolonged injuries, otherwise he won't be the same player that promised so much a year ago. Aside from Penney's goal last night, I don't think he's quite what require either.

That side does not fill me with confidence. I am interested to see what happens when Carroll comes in. I think he could be a key man breaking up play and getting it off the CBs to open up play.

 

[TopBunk]

I know it’s frustrating but I think we have to give the manager and players time to get in the groove……I hope it won’t take long.

 

[Spanish]

If you keep conceding possession needlessly when you are not under pressure the opposition will have more of the ball and create more chances. Defending is more than tackling and heading the ball. Schoolboy stuff.

All i have heard is everyone say they thought Burgess looked really good, the only one that doesn't rate him is you!

 

[YorkieLancsHampyLondoner]

All i have heard is everyone say they thought Burgess looked really good, the only one that doesn't rate him is you!

Probably the same people who were raving about our world beating side all summer.

You can’t really judge anyone on one game but he needs to cut out the hoofing / improve his passing because it put us under needless pressure.

 

[Spanish]

Probably the same people who were raving about our world beating side all summer.

You can’t really judge anyone on one game but he needs to cut out the hoofing / improve his passing because it put us under needless pressure.

Yep, coz there were loads saying we had a world beating side

 

[TopBunk]

Of course people got excited after the Fall of Evans and the American takeover and then 16 new signings and I’m sure you know football fans love a new signing, after so long having just **** after **** after **** I for one am pleased we have had an exciting summer and been able to be optimistic, maybe now we are having to be a little more realistic but I still believe that things will be okay I think we have made good signings ( for this league) and the manager is trying to get us playing good football.

 

[YorkieLancsHampyLondoner]

Of course people got excited after the Fall of Evans and the American takeover and then 16 new signings and I’m sure you know football fans love a new signing, after so long having just **** after **** after **** I for one am pleased we have had an exciting summer and been able to be optimistic, maybe now we are having to be a little more realistic but I still believe that things will be okay I think we have made good signings ( for this league) and the manager is trying to get us playing good football.

I’m not sure whether PC can do it for us. I’m hopeful that the Americans will in the long run. But we’re only in this position because of Evans starving the club of investment for so long. Whatever works or doesn’t work it’s good that we’ve got the proper resources in place again but for me we’re starting almost at the bottom of a very long ladder. I know that the owners expected us to move upwards quickly and I just hope they have put the work in to plan for these scenarios and that they can continue to invest. I don’t take that for granted by any means - we’ve seen plenty of clubs end up in a mess.

 

[Saf]

Burgess is by far the better defender, not being funny but the position is called defence. The aim is not to be like Iniesta but more like Puyol!!

Disagree.

You'll find more and more defenders these days are ball playing centre backs which fits the modern style of playing out from defence. Everybody on the pitch needs to be able to play football these days, some managers even demand it from the goalkeeper.

 

[Buckyohare]

Disagree.

You'll find more and more defenders these days are ball playing centre backs which fits the modern style of playing out from defence. Everybody on the pitch needs to be able to play football these days, some managers even demand it from the goalkeeper.

True. And it’s vital in a high press system that your defenders can do that. Ive not seen any evidence our cb’s can. Only edmundson left to try…

 

[Spanish]

Disagree.

You'll find more and more defenders these days are ball playing centre backs which fits the modern style of playing out from defence. Everybody on the pitch needs to be able to play football these days, some managers even demand it from the goalkeeper.

Well i disagree with you, i would rather my defender was good at stopping my team from conceding goals, rather than being able to play a good pass.
So like Yorkie, you are saying you would rather Wolfenden who is not a good defender (concedes goals) but can pass, than Burgess who is solid at the back but tends to find row Z

 

[Saf]

Well i disagree with you, i would rather my defender was good at stopping my team from conceding goals, rather than being able to play a good pass.
So like Yorkie, you are saying you would rather Wolfenden who is not a good defender (concedes goals) but can pass, than Burgess who is solid at the back but tends to find row Z

No mate, I'm not getting into that. I don't know your players well enough to pass comment on them, I was talking in general.

I don't know why you can't have a player who is good at his defensive duties but is also comfortable on the ball? I'm not a fan of defenders finding row Z or giving it a hoof up the field. All that does is return the ball to the opposition and invites pressure straight back on your team.

 

[YorkieLancsHampyLondoner]

Well i disagree with you, i would rather my defender was good at stopping my team from conceding goals, rather than being able to play a good pass.

So like Yorkie, you are saying you would rather Wolfenden who is not a good defender (concedes goals) but can pass, than Burgess who is solid at the back but tends to find row Z

You’ve said Woolfy isn’t a good defender, not me. I said I don’t know if he’s the best defender. I don’t know the new lads well enough. He’s got work to do but he’s very composed and comfortable on the ball so I reckon he has less work to do to improve defensively than Burgess has to get into better habits. Maybe it was an instruction or maybe he didn’t feel he had enough options on, that’s where I think Carroll will be an important player for us and give us something that Harper and Evans don’t.

Under pressure, clear your lines. If there’s a good option ping it long and have a go by all means. But over and over again under no pressure is a waste of our midfield talent and probably cost us a few attacking opportunities as well as inviting on the opposition.

Bizarre viewpoint for an Ipswich fan to say defenders don’t need to be footballers too, when all our successes have depended on the likes of Beattie being exceptional on the ball.

 

[Bigalreigned]

I think there’s a danger we’re forgetting where we we are when we talk about the quality of defenders we expect to play for Town!We really can’t expect a Maguire (or even Mings!) Like Spanish I’d be happy to play with a pair of solid,no nonsense stoppers and have the creative stuff come from the midfield or fullbacks.