Chat GPT and other AI bots

[TwoWrights]

I think it took some inspiiration from me first mentioning this thread, but it does sound like it had a peak in others

Found this one amusing as well

"Contributing to the forums positive atmosphere", clearly not based on last season

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I have a school report of mine that says something very similar about me, as ever consistency is the key.
Abridged version, once a **** always a ****.


The views expressed in my posts are not necessarily mine.

 

[Newland Tiger]

I think long term AI won't replace jobs for humans but it will probably change the types of jobs people do.

What makes you think AI won't replace a lot of jobs ?

 

[Stockholm Tiger]

What makes you think AI won't replace a lot of jobs ?

I do think it will replace a lot of jobs. I just think that a lot of other types of jobs will (need to) be created to replace them.

Since before the Luddites started smashing textile mills we've been worrying that technology will replace people in the work place. However, new jobs have always sprang up to replace those lost. I'm not saying better just different. All the kids working in call centres now may have had grandfathers who worked in factories who's jobs were replaced with Robots or CNC machines (probably in China).

If there are no people in work who are the consumers?

The only two alternatives I can think of are that technology replaces all of the jobs and the corporations are taxed at 80% so the government can pay everyone £60K per year benefits so we can keep spending on the stuff the AI makes or the AI decided it doesn't need us

 

[tigerscanada]

Talking of AI and it's powerful uses.

Cats will become extinct.

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Chaos ! Chaos ! Chaos !

I wonder if Lorenz and/or Mandelbrot ever listened to Bruce Cockburn's track "If a tree falls in the forest..."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mandelbrot_sequence_new.gif

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If you're interested, google "Exploring the Synergy of Chaos Theory and AI: Predictive Modeling" for a more detailed article in pdf ...

 

[Drew]

I don't have an academic paper for the last 50 years to be honest Drew so I can't answer directly with any honesty.

However, I do know that between the mid-60s and the mid-2000s people on average gained around 6 hours additional leisure time.

I could believe this trend started to reverse during the second half of the 2000s and 2010s but I haven't seen a paper confirming this.

However, since the pandemic there has been a massive switch in the acceptance of remote working and/or hybrid working with people in the office 1 or 2 days per week. I suspect the removal of all of those commuting hours may give on average increased "leisure" time, which is a result of the 4th IR delivering robust remote working tools such as Teams. (Of course this benefit is lumpy not everyone can WFH and commute time vary drastically. TWT)

It's an interesting topic.

Yeah it is interesting.

As I say, I have no expertise in this sector at all but the squeeze on families being able to live on one income must have had some impact somewhere. I wonder how that presents itself.

 

[HHH]

I think it took some inspiiration from me first mentioning this thread, but it does sound like it had a peak in others

Found this one amusing as well

"Contributing to the forums positive atmosphere", clearly not based on last season

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Judging by it's notion on humour I think comedians jobs are safe for the foreseeable

 

[tigerscanada]

Judging by it's notion on humour I think comedians jobs are safe for the foreseeable

 

[jhe10]

Then I asked it some questions about my old business (being a fashion brand, there's a lot of information available online), just to see how accurate it was and it got most things completely wrong. It will obviously improve as time goes on, but it still feels quite primitive at the moment.

There's a theory now that it will get worse rather than better. AI was getting some things wrong, a tendency to 'hallucinate' i.e. make things up (becoming a serious problem when lawyers use it). You would think it would get better over time as it absorbs more information, the problem is that the available information now includes a lot of AI generated bollocks. A recent study found that the instances of AI hallucination were increasing rather than falling.

 

[originallambrettaman]

There's a theory now that it will get worse rather than better. AI was getting some things wrong, a tendency to 'hallucinate' i.e. make things up (becoming a serious problem when lawyers use it). You would think it would get better over time as it absorbs more information, the problem is that the available information now includes a lot of AI generated bollocks. A recent study found that the instances of AI hallucination were increasing rather than falling.

You may well be right, I just tried it again and it was even more inaccurate than last time.

 

[dennisboothstash]

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[DMD]

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[originallambrettaman]

Some of the things are very clever, this is the Exodus if it happened today (and randomly involved an Australian)...

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[eimaj]

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Once models can actually reason, I suspect we'll see AI really take off, for better or worse.

 

[springtiger]

What makes you think AI won't replace a lot of jobs ?

It will decimate jobs , add to that floor screeeding and tile laying robots , bricklaying etc - my grandkids are gonna be effed . when it really kicks in the Ai and hosts will have been gobbled up by a few who will become like Gates and Bezos and the plebs will be begging for work at the basic min wage . And our govt will be lauding them. Massive data process centre for Northumberland - 400 jobs wow ! . At least the City will be carnage as the bots replace the dodgy traders .
Maybe someone has the vision to try and facilitate manufacturing in this country of many of the items we outsource to China , Vietnam etc on the basis that the money stays here - oh to dream !

 

[Gone For A Walk]

It will decimate jobs , add to that floor screeeding and tile laying robots , bricklaying etc - my grandkids are gonna be effed . when it really kicks in the Ai and hosts will have been gobbled up by a few who will become like Gates and Bezos and the plebs will be begging for work at the basic min wage . And our govt will be lauding them. Massive data process centre for Northumberland - 400 jobs wow ! . At least the City will be carnage as the bots replace the dodgy traders .
Maybe someone has the vision to try and facilitate manufacturing in this country of many of the items we outsource to China , Vietnam etc on the basis that the money stays here - oh to dream !

I think most trades will be fine, at least for a few decades.

 

[Chesh1recat]

Skip to roughly 4:20 if you don't want to watch it all

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[DMD]

I think most trades will be fine, at least for a few decades.

You'd think professions that in theory should be based on facts and logic such as solicitors, politicians and economists should be the most nervous.

 

[Ullofaman]

Ordinary slob here. I have used AI for:
Telling me how much of what ingredients I should measure out to make various dishes based on the dimensions of the cookware at hand.

Writing Python Code to compress huge lists of repetitive questions to their essence...I know zero about programming. It worked a charm. Also, it generated code to recreate the same MCQ questions with negatively marked variants.

Asking it to clarify what for me is financial gobblydegook statements regarding my Pension...for the first time ever I have a clear understanding of what the figures mean and how the calculations produce those mysterious numbers.

Currently asking it to create one day trips from one central city to various attractions using local transportation options, times involved, what to see, and what last bus or train to take to get back to where I intend staying.

It generated excellent explanatory lists of criteria on what should be evaluated in student science essays...these I then posted to the students as guides (without claiming them to be mine but also not claiming them to be AI generated).

Informed me on who to contact in Alberta to explore whether I had pension benefits from there from thirty years ago. I rang and had the answer in five minutes.

AI speaks to me in a foreign language that I am trying to learn and explains all my numerous mistakes.


I think AI is the greatest paradigm shift in everyday life that I have ever witnessed. It is amazing and frightening all at the same time. How it is going to alter the workforce is beyond me...I am glad that I have just retired.

 

[originalminority]

Ordinary slob here. I have used AI for:
Telling me how much of what ingredients I should measure out to make various dishes based on the dimensions of the cookware at hand.

Writing Python Code to compress huge lists of repetitive questions to their essence...I know zero about programming. It worked a charm. Also, it generated code to recreate the same MCQ questions with negatively marked variants.

Asking it to clarify what for me is financial gobblydegook statements regarding my Pension...for the first time ever I have a clear understanding of what the figures mean and how the calculations produce those mysterious numbers.

Currently asking it to create one day trips from one central city to various attractions using local transportation options, times involved, what to see, and what last bus or train to take to get back to where I intend staying.

It generated excellent explanatory lists of criteria on what should be evaluated in student science essays...these I then posted to the students as guides (without claiming them to be mine but also not claiming them to be AI generated).

Informed me on who to contact in Alberta to explore whether I had pension benefits from there from thirty years ago. I rang and had the answer in five minutes.

AI speaks to me in a foreign language that I am trying to learn and explains all my numerous mistakes.


I think AI is the greatest paradigm shift in everyday life that I have ever witnessed. It is amazing and frightening all at the same time. How it is going to alter the workforce is beyond me...I am glad that I have just retired.

Interesting perspective. One thing I got used to during my working life was change. Shopfloor to office. Handwritten manual processes to paperless offices. Automation of many many processes. Downsizing. Streamlining. Robotics. Systems migrations. Analogue to digital. New products. New organisations. Lean manufacturing. Simultaneous engineering. Meetings in rooms with real people to virtual meetings. Work from home!
I'm not sure AI is as much a bigger shift than some of the other changes we've already been through, it's just more technological evolution to deal with and when you retire and finally have some time on your hands do you really want AI to plan and explain everything for you in seconds?

 

[Gone For A Walk]

Ordinary slob here. I have used AI for:

Asking it to clarify what for me is financial gobblydegook statements regarding my Pension...for the first time ever I have a clear understanding of what the figures mean and how the calculations produce those mysterious numbers.

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Wow. I clearly underestimated A1 !!