Off Topic Brexit

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Just when it appeared that the Remoaners had been hit with a hefty blow last week with little support for another pointless referendum, up pops there fairy godmother in the shape of Chief Remoaner Public Enemy Number One (aka The Speaker).

Democracy continues to break down, with a Speaker that will forever be known as the most devisive in parliaments history.
 
Heed said:
Just when it appeared that the Remoaners had been hit with a hefty blow last week with little support for another pointless referendum, up pops there fairy godmother in the shape of Chief Remoaner Public Enemy Number One (aka The Speaker).

Democracy continues to break down, with a Speaker that will forever be known as the most devisive in parliaments history.
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He does seem a bit of a twat but dont think this particular decision is wrong. There has been a vote on the resolution that wasnt carried - you cant just keep voting on it hoping that people will change their mind as deadline nears.
Its like EU has said - there is no point asking for an extension if there is no change in your position.
 
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JakartaToon said:
He does seem a bit of a twat but dont think this particular decision is wrong. There has been a vote on the resolution that wasnt carried - you cant just keep voting on it hoping that people will change their mind as deadline nears.
Its like EU has said - there is no point asking for an extension if there is no change in your position.
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I agree that this was the right decision.

MPs - if you quit we'll vote for it
DUP - if you give us more money we'll vote for it.

How about just deciding if the deal is fit for purpose. If you think yes then vote yes if not then vote ****ing no.

Bloody MPs/parties have really been shown up for what they are under this debacle.
 
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Heed said:
Just when it appeared that the Remoaners had been hit with a hefty blow last week with little support for another pointless referendum, up pops there fairy godmother in the shape of Chief Remoaner Public Enemy Number One (aka The Speaker).

Democracy continues to break down, with a Speaker that will forever be known as the most devisive in parliaments history.
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He also keeps an anti Brexit window sticker in one of the family cars. True Story.
 
JakartaToon said:
He does seem a bit of a twat but dont think this particular decision is wrong. There has been a vote on the resolution that wasnt carried - you cant just keep voting on it hoping that people will change their mind as deadline nears.
Its like EU has said - there is no point asking for an extension if there is no change in your position.
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Equally, I wonder what my local council would say if I were to quote a 1600's law to justify why I needed to graze my camels on the village green? Or to fire my longbow only on Sunday afternoons in the village square?

The point is... it must have gotten really desperate for him to pop up quoting such old laws.. that were made up before America was even founded.... and shortly after when Groot was born.
 
J J McClure said:
Equally, I wonder what my local council would say if I were to quote a 1600's law to justify why I needed to graze my camels on the village green? Or to fire my longbow only on Sunday afternoons in the village square?

The point is... it must have gotten really desperate for him to pop up quoting such old laws.. that were made up before America was even founded.... and shortly after when Groot was born.
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He maybe just got fed up with May wasting Parliaments time by repeatedly requesting a vote on the same thing instead of setting up an all party committee to thrash out a deal that Parliament could pass and might actually be accepted by the EU.

It should be clear by now what the stumbling blocks are. If there is no way Parliament can agree on a deal that overcomes them then they should dissolve Parliament and have a new general election.
 
GeordieHalfbreed said:
I don't buy this. It's not just about what was on the ballot paper - it's about what was said in the campaign beforehand. You don't just vote for the name on the ballot paper in a general election - you vote for that person's manifesto. If they start putting in place something very different to what they promised, you turf them out at the next election. That's why representative democracy is better than direct democracy - someone can be held accountable.

There are plenty of examples of Leave campaigners promising a completely incompatible range of options on Brexit. Almost the only consistent point was that they promised that there would not be a no deal Brexit.

If the margin had gone 48-52 the other way, and the government had taken this as a mandate to adopt the Euro and join Schengen, people would be similarly up in arms, and rightly so.

The real culprit here is David Cameron. Arrogant sod was so sure he'd win he allowed this ambiguous question on the ballot paper. If the first question had been "should we open negotiations to leave the EU" and then had given the people the final say on two REAL options (rather than status quo vs nebulous fantasy) then we wouldn't be in this mess in the first place.
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Absolutely this ^ <ok>
 
LeazesParkProwler said:
As far as I'm concerned, the naked deceit of the leave campaigners (Farage, Johnson, Lilley, Rees-Mogg, et al), as well as the nebulous and simplistic Brexit on offer for the Referendum, and the increasing economic evidence of terrible long-term harm to the economy, people and reputation, and the crass incompetence, vainglory and venality of the government (as well as the Labour leadership), should mean that the Referendum is called off. No second referendum. Just end this whole debacle. In 3 years, I can say that I haven't heard one well-reasoned argument, backed up with real facts, for leaving the E.U.
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Yep <ok>
 
Somebodys pinched my sombrero said:
It was a vote that should never have happened. Cameron knew the **** storm that would follow and bailed out sharpish. I'm no over of Theresa May, but she's been on a hiding to nowt since she took over.
That said, the majority of the people want out so that should happen, or there's no such thing as democracy in our country. I voted leave, not because I know great deal about politics, but the leave party put up a much better argument than the remainders at the time. If I had the vote again,I'd stay the same because I'm pissed off with the "we want anther vote" folk.
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The referendum was called by Cameron purely to undermine UKIP, who were taking support away from the tories. He's a ****ing obscene **** <grr>
 
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Heed said:
Just when it appeared that the Remoaners had been hit with a hefty blow last week with little support for another pointless referendum, up pops there fairy godmother in the shape of Chief Remoaner Public Enemy Number One (aka The Speaker).

Democracy continues to break down, with a Speaker that will forever be known as the most devisive in parliaments history.
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I presume you voted to leave. For future reference:

Parliament's OR parliamentary.
Just ****ing saying <whistle>
 
May has ALL the vultures circling now (remain and leave). I think she is finding just how much they'll cut you up if you refuse to play their games.
 
J J McClure said:
Equally, I wonder what my local council would say if I were to quote a 1600's law to justify why I needed to graze my camels on the village green? Or to fire my longbow only on Sunday afternoons in the village square?

The point is... it must have gotten really desperate for him to pop up quoting such old laws.. that were made up before America was even founded.... and shortly after when Groot was born.
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If there was no more recent laws on the subject, they would say you were right. The quote was that the rule could be trace back to 1604, the implication being that it has been followed since then.

It also makes sense. Parliament is a court (a bit of an obscure fact but true). It is a basic concept that once a court has ruled on a point, it has been decided and can't be debated further
 
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J J McClure said:
Equally, I wonder what my local council would say if I were to quote a 1600's law to justify why I needed to graze my camels on the village green? Or to fire my longbow only on Sunday afternoons in the village square?

The point is... it must have gotten really desperate for him to pop up quoting such old laws.. that were made up before America was even founded.... and shortly after when Groot was born.
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Stitches...
 
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JakartaToon said:
He maybe just got fed up with May wasting Parliaments time by repeatedly requesting a vote on the same thing instead of setting up an all party committee to thrash out a deal that Parliament could pass and might actually be accepted by the EU.

It should be clear by now what the stumbling blocks are. If there is no way Parliament can agree on a deal that overcomes them then they should dissolve Parliament and have a new general election.
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Or end the session... start again on Monday and have the third vote as it’s a different session.

Beelin Bercow then can’t do a thing.
 
Freddd said:
If there was no more recent laws on the subject, they would say you were right. The quote was that the rule could be trace back to 1604, the implication being that it has been followed since then.

It also makes sense. Parliament is a court (a bit of an obscure fact but true). It is a basic concept that once a court has ruled on a point, it has been decided and can't be debated further
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It was last used in 1943. Not that it matters because it is in the rule book and therefore can be used. I'd also hazard a guess it probably hasn't been necessary to use it all that often since 1943.
 
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Red Hadron Collider said:
I think you got my general drift, and the fact that you don't really give a **** doesn't surprise me remotely.
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I get your general drift, which appears to be that of a whining Remoaner.
Me not giving a **** as you put it is entirely down to your pedantic quoting of the ENGLISH LANGUAGE.
 
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