Off Topic BREXIT

[Obadiah]

I've been messaged from a friend in the US who signed it as well as reading reports of how easy it is to multi sign.

It will be discredited, not that it would spark a 2nd vote anyway.

It's time for people to accept change is coming & do what they can to make it work.

It will spark a second vote if Parliament vote for one. You have more faith in our MPs than I do.

 

[Barchullona]

Not sure if I should bother replying to this are you just looking for a cyber fight?

I know and fully understand that the people stood up for themselves (and what a great thing that is), my point is what happens next? who is going to represent those people and their wishes? Most of the elected government were on the other side, their leader is stepping down and not planning to be replaced until the party conference in October. IF the Tory party decide they can't, don't want to represent the public's wishes and call a general election the Labour party is also in a state of disarray. Could UKIP who got loads of votes but only one MP do better in another election.

The people have stood up for themselves but someone has to go and talk to the EU on their behalf, how do you see that working?

UKIP won't come into it. They would need a change in the electoral system. PR would have seen them have 3 times as many MPs as the SNP, the Greens would also have had more than the SNP under PR. Which is why, seeing how it would actually work, those in power would never agree to a change. Even those who,prattled on about PR for years will have backtracked when they realised it would more accurately represent the views of the electorate. A bit like a referendum, where a majority of voters wanted out but sround 80% of MPs are in favour of staying in. Which suggests under the present system a lot of the electorate are not having their views represented by the MP they voted for. One of the problems when so many vote for a party because their dad did, his dad did etc. That applies equally to Tory voters and Labour.

 

[Obadiah]

Your nights out must be mental.

Who mentioned the NKCP?

My life is mental. Mental but generally enjoyable.

37,000 young people signing a petition on a night out by mobile phone sounds reasonable to me.

I thought you mentioned Korea, my apologies if you didn't.

 

[Shropshire Lag]

If they've any sense they'll be organising cross party / cross EU stance talks to discuss the best way forward.
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I wouldn't be looking to invoke Article 50 immediately. I'd wait until after the French elections next Spring. If our exit looks favourable to the French then Le Pen will benefit greatly & probably get the support for a French referendum & ultimate exit.

Although there were calls for referendums in Europe inspired by the Brexit vote, I think the post referendum mess here will make other Europeans more cautious about leaving. They'll see the facts surrounding the reality of leaving the EU whereas I believe voters here chose Brexit on the basis of how they thought it all might pan out i.e. their personal fiction.The ghastly Farage has suggested other countries will follow suit and put an end to the "European experiment". I think he's completely wrong. Europeans will see us tussling with the painful intricacies of negotiating an exit and decide to stay put, given that the world already offers enough uncertainty without opting for more. I'm deeply saddened about the outcome of the referendum.

 

[Barchullona]

I have no idea how many people are out at 3:00am on a Sunday. More than enough for a large number of pubs/clubs to remain open. I would say it is morethan 37,000 though.

The decision to sign the petition is easy. You are sat with a group of mates moaning about the referendum and one says you can sign a petition, I've just done it, its easy, how about you?

That to me is more realistic than the North Korean Communist Party giving each comrade a post code and English name and getting them to sign a UK petition.

In my day discussions were about your chances of pulling and who with when in a nightclub. References to things like football and whose round it was. Glad I was young in those less sophisticated times.

 

[Barchullona]

Although there were calls for referendums in Europe inspired by the Brexit vote, I think the post referendum mess here will make other Europeans more cautious about leaving. They'll see the facts surrounding the reality of leaving the EU whereas I believe voters here chose Brexit on the basis of how they thought it all might pan out i.e. their personal fiction.The ghastly Farage has suggested other countries will follow suit and put an end to the "European experiment". I think he's completely wrong. Europeans will see us tussling with the painful intricacies of negotiating an exit and decide to stay put, given that the world already offers enough uncertainty without opting for more. I'm deeply saddened about the outcome of the referendum.

I feel your pain. You poor thing.

 

[Pat E O'Dors]

If Labour got rid of Corbyn, they'd be a shoe in for the next Election or at least give it a good go.

Sadly he seems determined to hang on to power. This means we're stuck with the Tories for some time.

Camerons thrown a strop, and gone back on his declaration he'd carry on and would invoke Article 50 immediatly. Osbourne has not surfaced at all. The 2 most powerful people in the UK. It's shameful.

I can't understand how Labour managed to elect the worst leader ever. He's a professional protester and thorn in the side of the establishment. He is not, and was never, leader material.

Someone earlier said you vote for your local MP, not the leader of the party and a potential PM, and that is how I've always voted, who I think is best for local issues. I will not vote for any Labour candidate while Corbyns at the helm.

I doubt we will see a Labour government again if Scotland has a referendum and they vote for independence. A lot of Labour MP's, who were in the last Labour government, where from porridge land. This was born out at the last election by the fact that the SNP took nearly all the seats that were previously held by Labour, thus giving the conservatives an overall majority.

 

[Sir Cheshire Ben]

The EU have already made their position clear - get on with it.

The responsibility for pressing the button sits with the Govt not some cross party committee. So which Tory is going to be the one to do it?

My money is on a GE being called, when Cameron leaves office, and the election will end up being a 1 issue debate. A second referendum by proxy.

It's not the EU's choice.

The EU haven't called for us to leave ASAP. A couple of the leaders have spoken about checking legalities regarding how soon negotiations can start.

It is our choice. It may have been you, if not you, then other non democracy types were on here saying that the Government doesn't have to act on the referendum result.

The Government doesn't have to but the EU will? Which is it? Is this the power that people voted against?

 

[Sir Cheshire Ben]

My life is mental. Mental but generally enjoyable.

37,000 young people signing a petition on a night out by mobile phone sounds reasonable to me.

I thought you mentioned Korea, my apologies if you didn't.

I did, you mentioned NKCP & how the votes were distributed. ITK again, like the imaginary concessions that never were.

 

[Sir Cheshire Ben]

It will spark a second vote if Parliament vote for one. You have more faith in our MPs than I do.

Based on the petition it would never end. There'll be no second vote.

 

[modnrock]

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Good point but it goes both ways.

A similar percentage outside London voted remai. yet it's being claimed that the country was for out.

That's how our sham democracy works.

Dictatorship of the majority.

As opposed to rule of minority? You cant split a simple in out vote. When the EU goes tits up you may be grateful we are no longer tied

 

[Tobes]

It's not the EU's choice.

The EU haven't called for us to leave ASAP. A couple of the leaders have spoken about checking legalities regarding how soon negotiations can start.

It is our choice. It may have been you, if not you, then other non democracy types were on here saying that the Government doesn't have to act on the referendum result.

The Government doesn't have to but the EU will? Which is it? Is this the power that people voted against?

The Govt doesn't have to act on the result of the referendum, that's a fact.

However failing to is political suicide, but so is actioning article 50. Even Farage has now admitted a recession is likely, which is twat speak for completely inevitable. So back to my question - which Tory is going to press the button?

 

[Old Tige]

Direct democracy. Meaningless.

To you perhaps.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_democracy

 

[Old Tige]

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As opposed to rule of minority? You cant split a simple in out vote. When the EU goes tits up you may be grateful we are no longer tied

I am already glad.

 

[Barchullona]

To you perhaps.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_democracy

I see they mention referendums. Is that direct democracy? Or only when the vote goes the right way?

 

[modnrock]

100 people decided to leave the burning building 85 decided sod that

 

[originalminority]

I doubt we will see a Labour government again if Scotland has a referendum and they vote for independence. A lot of Labour MP's, who were in the last Labour government, where from porridge land. This was born out at the last election by the fact that the SNP took nearly all the seats that were previously held by Labour, thus giving the conservatives an overall majority.

Far too much attention is being given to Scotland.

 

[Obadiah]

I did, you mentioned NKCP & how the votes were distributed. ITK again, like the imaginary concessions that never were.

The reference to the North Korean Communist Party was a joke.

I'm never in the know. I put forward what I think. You think a second referendum is impossible, I don't. You think 37,000 people leaving in the UK signing the petition at 4am on a Sunday morning is impossible, I don't. It may have been in the 70s but not any more.

I think there is a possibility that Article 50 will not be invoked.

I never believed Cameron would get any meaningful concessions so I don't know where that reference came from.

 

[Old Tige]

I see they mention referendums. Is that direct democracy? Or only when the vote goes the right way?

That would be what is know as "direct legislation". Not my personal cup of tea due to the element of dictatorship of the majority we can see in our own current example. But some prefer it and it does do away with an abusive and corrupt elite leadership.

 

[Sir Cheshire Ben]

The Govt doesn't have to act on the result of the referendum, that's a fact.

However failing to is political suicide, but so is auctioning article 50. Even Farage has now admitted a recession is likely, which is twat speak for completely inevitable. So back to my question - which Tory is going to press the button?

So if the Governmwnt don't have to act on the referendum result how can the EU act on it? Make your mind up.

The leader of the Ruling Party & he should do it once the best exit strategy has been agreed.

If you don't believe the best strategy shouldn't & wouldn't be best agreed between cross Party talks then your head's buried deeper than you think.

You can always carry on not worrying about it until Article 50 has been invoked. Obviously to carry on not worrying about it, you'd have to stop worrying about it.