Off Topic BREXIT

[Tobes]

The petition is bollocks along with most of the names on it. It may be considered for a few seconds, accepted as an unreliable representation, before being discarded down the khazi.

To sign that petition you've got to verify via an e-mail link, so how is it 'bollocks' exactly?

 

[brownbagtiger]

You are right , I suspect most of the leave voters acted without great economic insight. But they and I voted with our hearts. Fed up with lying politicians both at home and abroad. The EU is not the entire source of our problems , you might call it a protest vote.

And upthread I expressed dismay that so many people chose now to have a protest vote - against something that was not the source of their grievances. As I have gone full circle, I'd better go and find something better to do with my Sunday...

 

[Sir Cheshire Ben]

To sign that petition you've got to verify via an e-mail link, so how is it 'bollocks' exactly?

Because many are from outside the UK. It's quite easy to do. It's also easy to multi sign.

 

[Tobes]

Because many are from outside the UK. It's quite easy to do. It's also easy to multi sign.

I was in Europe until last night and it wouldn't allow me to complete the petition signing, presumably because my IP was showing as not in the UK.

It takes your postcode and e-mail address and so therefore won't allow multiple signings at the rate you wish to intimate st least.

The irony of that petition is that it was started pre the vote by a Leave campaigner anticipating defeat.

 

[Barchullona]

How many UK residents are still in a pub/club at 4am on a Sunday morning? How many UK citizens have mobile phones that let you sign petitions on line whilst drinking or dancing?

More or less than 37,000?

If people are in nightclubs at 4am in a morning signing petitions then maybe it is time to return to 10.30pm pub and 1am club shutting times like the "good old days" as extra hours are creating very sad generations of young people indeed.

 

[Barchullona]

I was in Europe until last night and it wouldn't allow me to complete the petition signing, presumably because my IP was showing as not in the UK.

It takes your postcode and e-mail address and so therefore won't allow multiple signings at the rate you wish to intimate st least.

The irony of that petition is that it was started pre the vote by a Leave campaigner anticipating defeat.

Maybe others are aware of things like VPNs?

 

[Sir Cheshire Ben]

I was in Europe until last night and it wouldn't allow me to complete the petition signing, presumably because my IP was showing as not in the UK.

It takes your postcode and e-mail address and so therefore won't allow multiple signings at the rate you wish to intimate st least.

The irony of that petition is that it was started pre the vote by a Leave campaigner anticipating defeat.

I've been messaged from a friend in the US who signed it as well as reading reports of how easy it is to multi sign.

It will be discredited, not that it would spark a 2nd vote anyway.

It's time for people to accept change is coming & do what they can to make it work.

 

[Barchullona]

Great, the people have stood up for themselves for once. What do they think they've actually achieved? They've not voted for "stop shafting us", they've not voted for "invest more in our area", they've not voted for "stop immigrants", they've voted to leave the EU. Doing the latter will not achieve the former.

So we should let the self anointed great and good decide what is best for us? People voted opposite to the way you wanted. Deal with it.

 

[Old Tige]

Agreed.

What i find annoying the way all parts of the press keep saying London is REMAIN. There was still over 45% in most area of London wanted to leave but thats not mentioned. Its implied as though it was 100% remain.

Good point but it goes both ways.

A similar percentage outside London voted remain yet it's being claimed that the country was for out.

That's how our sham democracy works.

Dictatorship of the majority.

 

[DMD]

I've been messaged from a friend in the US who signed it as well as reading reports of how easy it is to multi sign.

It will be discredited, not that it would spark a 2nd vote anyway.

It's time for people to accept change is coming & do what they can to make it work.

If it was started before the referendum, it's meaningless anyway.

 

[Sir Cheshire Ben]

If it was started before the referendum, it's meaningless anyway.

It's not totally meaningless. It does highlight, quite accurately, that a large number of people only believe in democracy when it goes their way.

 

[Tobes]

It's time for people to accept change is coming & do what they can to make it work.

I'll start thinking about that when whichever Tory presses the button and invokes article 50.

Cameron has kicked it into the long grass and resigned so it's not going to be him.

Why the delay? Didn't Cameron say that we'd invoke it the day after a leave vote? Sounds like he's decided he's not putting his name to it and advocated all responsibility.

Is bumbling Boris going to be the man to do it? A pro Remain believer until the political opportunity to position himself as the PM in waiting presented itself to him when Cameron gave his party the option of campaigning against him. Bumbling Boris saw the opportunity to go up against his old public school adversary, but unfortunately for him - Leave won. He looked washed out yesterday, as the reality of that dawned.

Will he take the role and be the man to push the button? It'd be political suicide and he knows it.

 

[Barchullona]

Good point but it goes both ways.

A similar percentage outside London voted remain yet it's being claimed that the country was for out.

That's how our sham democracy works.

Dictatorship of the majority.

Dictatorship of the majority. Presumably you would prefer a non democratic dictatorship of the minority? What do you want to be when you grow up?

 

[Old Tige]

Dictatorship of the majority. Presumably you would prefer a non democratic dictatorship of the minority? What do you want to be when you grow up?

You presume too much and understand far too little.

I have already told you but you seem too dim to understand.

Direct democracy.

Simples.

 

[balkan tiger]

Writes someone discussing politics.

The people have just stood up for themselves instead of people who consider themselves the elite ignoring what the people want and doing what they want.

Not sure if I should bother replying to this are you just looking for a cyber fight?

I know and fully understand that the people stood up for themselves (and what a great thing that is), my point is what happens next? who is going to represent those people and their wishes? Most of the elected government were on the other side, their leader is stepping down and not planning to be replaced until the party conference in October. IF the Tory party decide they can't, don't want to represent the public's wishes and call a general election the Labour party is also in a state of disarray. Could UKIP who got loads of votes but only one MP do better in another election.

The people have stood up for themselves but someone has to go and talk to the EU on their behalf, how do you see that working?

 

[Sir Cheshire Ben]

I'll start thinking about that when whichever Tory presses the button and invokes article 50.

Cameron has kicked it into the long grass and resigned so it's not going to be him.

Why the delay? Didn't Cameron say that we'd invoke it the day after a leave vote? Sounds like he's decided he's not putting his name to it and advocated all responsibility.

Is bumbling Boris going to be the man to do it? A pro Remain believer until the political opportunity to position himself as the PM in waiting presented itself to him when Cameron gave his party the option of campaigning against him. Bumbling Boris saw the opportunity to go up against his old public school adversary, but unfortunately for him - Leave won. He looked washed out yesterday, as the reality of that dawned.

Will he take the role and be the man to push the button? It'd be political suicide and he knows it.

If they've any sense they'll be organising cross party / cross EU stance talks to discuss the best way forward.

The referendum campaign was not based on Party politics, neither should the aftermath.

A plan that best benefits the UK exiting the EU should be agreed before any EU discussions take place.

I wouldn't be looking to invoke Article 50 immediately. I'd wait until after the French elections next Spring. If our exit looks favourable to the French then Le Pen will benefit greatly & probably get the support for a French referendum & ultimate exit.

 

[Tobes]

If they've any sense they'll be organising cross party / cross EU stance talks to discuss the best way forward.

The referendum campaign was not based on Party politics, neither should the aftermath.

A plan that best benefits the UK exiting the EU should be agreed before any EU discussions take place.

I wouldn't be looking to invoke Article 50 immediately. I'd wait until after the French elections next Spring. If our exit looks favourable to the French then Le Pen will benefit greatly & probably get the support for a French referendum & ultimate exit.

The EU have already made their position clear - get on with it.

The responsibility for pressing the button sits with the Govt not some cross party committee. So which Tory is going to be the one to do it?

My money is on a GE being called, when Cameron leaves office, and the election will end up being a 1 issue debate. A second referendum by proxy.

 

[Obadiah]

I don't know, I was busy watching a petition being signed.

Maybe you can shed some light on how many nightclubbers are out at half 3 in the morning & what percentage of that number 35k is.

Maybe you also know what made 35k of them decide to sign a petition, on their mobiles, at half 3 in the morning, when supping a sex on the beach, being careful not to spill it whilst getting the steps right to the Gay Gordon's.

I have no idea how many people are out at 3:00am on a Sunday. More than enough for a large number of pubs/clubs to remain open. I would say it is morethan 37,000 though.

The decision to sign the petition is easy. You are sat with a group of mates moaning about the referendum and one says you can sign a petition, I've just done it, its easy, how about you?

That to me is more realistic than the North Korean Communist Party giving each comrade a post code and English name and getting them to sign a UK petition.

 

[Barchullona]

You presume too much and understand far too little.

I have already told you but you seem too dim to understand.

Direct democracy.

Simples.

Anyone who ends a post with simples, as though it adds some sort of gravitas, is by definition a first class prat who should be subjected to cruel and human punishment.

Direct democracy. Meaningless.

 

[Sir Cheshire Ben]

I have no idea how many people are out at 3:00am on a Sunday. More than enough for a large number of pubs/clubs to remain open. I would say it is morethan 37,000 though.

The decision to sign the petition is easy. You are sat with a group of mates moaning about the referendum and one says you can sign a petition, I've just done it, its easy, how about you?

That to me is more realistic than the North Korean Communist Party giving each comrade a post code and English name and getting them to sign a UK petition.

Your nights out must be mental.

Who mentioned the NKCP?