Off Topic BREXIT

[Barchullona]

I can't , i've only just woken up ! Let me think about it.

OK.

 

[merchantman5]

Well i asked for an example of this control you desperately want to take back, and the first example you gave concerned immigration. Just found that intereesting thats all. And more risky economically staying in Europe? Consiedring most economists would disagree with that, wondering what you base that on.

Also if we go down the Norwegian and Swiss route of trade with the EU we will have to continue to allow the migration of EU Citizens anyway.

 

[petersaxton]

many of the Shadow Cabinet will leave today now that Benn's gone

Labour are in a mess. The MPs hate Corbyn but many of the new members love him.
The Conservatives are a bit better but only just. How many Conservatives wanted to Leave but said they wanted to Remain as a career progression under Cameron which has now gone dramatically wrong?

 

[The greengrocer]

nearly 3 million people have signed up for another referendum!

 

[petersaxton]

Also if we go down the Norwegian and Swiss route of trade with the EU we will have to continue to allow the migration of EU Citizens anyway.

And if we go down the Turkey route we will apply to join the EU!?
What is the point of making these statements it's never going to happen.
The referendum was fought on sovereignty and immigration. I doubt any negotiations will even mention free movement of people because it is just too ridiculous to consider.
Can you imagine splitting up from a girlfriend because she cheated on you and then you met up and she wanted to get back with you but she says: "oh, is it OK if I sleep around, too?"

 

[petersaxton]

nearly 3 million people have signed up for another referendum!

Let's have one then - 3 million people can't be wrong!

 

[Building 7]

nearly 3 million people have signed up for another referendum!

It's official , we have 3 million stupid people in this country.

 

[petersaxton]

It's official , we have 3 million stupid people in this country.

This is what happens when you dumb down education. They just keep taking exams until they pass and they think they just keep taking referendums until they get the result they want.

 

[Charon]

Labour are in a mess. The MPs hate Corbyn but many of the new members love him.
The Conservatives are a bit better but only just. How many Conservatives wanted to Leave but said they wanted to Remain as a career progression under Cameron which has now gone dramatically wrong?

I get the impression that any Tory 'split' was only about leave/remain - I think the splits in Labour are significantly deeper in terms of foreign policy, trident, etc - Labour has already 'lost' Scotland - now Corbyn has pushed the self destruct button

 

[Building 7]

Hey , I wonder if we will get our wheelie bins emptied more often now ?

 

[Obadiah]

My gut feeling is we are heading for a government of national unity to reverse the vote to leave.

 

[trouserpress]

Corbyn has to go, I didn't see him touring the poorer parts of Britain pointing out EU projects that wouldn't have existed under a Tory government

 

[Barchullona]

There's a professor of law who had a video which was doing the rounds before the vote. He was pro-Remain.
He discussed sovereignty. He said people who said the UK wasn't sovereign were wrong. He said the UK was a sovereign nation and the EU wasn't sovereign. Technically he was right but what he didn't say was that in order to join and maintain membership of the EU the UK had to give up a lot of that sovereignty in favour of the EU and the ECJ.
I would advise people to be very wary of trusting people just because they are a professor or an economist.

Professor Stanley Unwin spoke more sense than some of the Remain supporters.

 

[Building 7]

My gut feeling is we are heading for a government of national unity to reverse the vote to leave.

We were told it was 'no going back' decision , wonder if that was a lie as well ?

 

[originallambrettaman]

It looks like around half the shadow cabinet have now resigned.

 

[trouserpress]

Going to try and focus on the positives now, well I'll need to find some first, but this sums it up for me:

You know, Brexiters, it wasn't the EU who sold off the council houses, it wasn't the EU who closed down our heavy industries, it wasn't the EU who flogged off state assets cheap, it wasn't the EU who sold off school playing fields, it wasn't the EU who decided that we should recruit doctors and nurses from abroad because it was cheaper than training our own, it wasn't the EU who put untrained teachers in our schools, it wasn't the EU who liberalised credit, it wasn't the EU who encouraged private landlords, it wasn't the EU who introduced and accepted zero hours contracts, it wasn't the EU who permitted the city to speculate so wildly that we will be paying off the debt for generations to come, it wasn't the EU who is cutting the budgets to education, squeezing the NHS and decimated local government.

No, it was the governments who YOU voted for, the rightfully elected governments of this country which you chose at the ballot box. You were given the choice of those governments, and that's who you chose, and they carried out the mandate that you gave them. You were happy to accept the promises and the tax cuts, and you are blaming the EU for all the bad decisions that you - or us as a country, have taken inthe past thirty years.

You are so angry at the EU for doing all the things that you actually voted for, carried out by the leaders that were democratically elected by yourselves.

And you blame the EU for all the dumb choices that were made over the past generation in this country..... you were there, you made these choices, and now we have to live with them.

 

[petersaxton]

I get the impression that any Tory 'split' was only about leave/remain - I think the splits in Labour are significantly deeper in terms of foreign policy, trident, etc - Labour has already 'lost' Scotland - now Corbyn has pushed the self destruct button

You are right. Now that Cameron's going the Remain people can accept the result and accept a delay in their career progression while the "rebels" - who did it out of what was best for the country - will get the top jobs. I listened to a Fallon interview with Andrew Neil and Neil wiped the floor with him over his pathetic attempts to justify his Remain decision. Why didn't he just say: "I don't care. My boss told me to do it!"
If Michael Gove isn't going to stand for Prime Minister then I am backing Boris with Liam Fox my second choice. None of the Remainers have a chance because they will get slaughtered in any interviews.

 

[Idi Amin]

Going to try and focus on the positives now, well I'll need to find some first, but this sums it up for me:

You know, Brexiters, it wasn't the EU who sold off the council houses, it wasn't the EU who closed down our heavy industries, it wasn't the EU who flogged off state assets cheap, it wasn't the EU who sold off school playing fields, it wasn't the EU who decided that we should recruit doctors and nurses from abroad because it was cheaper than training our own, it wasn't the EU who put untrained teachers in our schools, it wasn't the EU who liberalised credit, it wasn't the EU who encouraged private landlords, it wasn't the EU who introduced and accepted zero hours contracts, it wasn't the EU who permitted the city to speculate so wildly that we will be paying off the debt for generations to come, it wasn't the EU who is cutting the budgets to education, squeezing the NHS and decimated local government.

No, it was the governments who YOU voted for, the rightfully elected governments of this country which you chose at the ballot box. You were given the choice of those governments, and that's who you chose, and they carried out the mandate that you gave them. You were happy to accept the promises and the tax cuts, and you are blaming the EU for all the bad decisions that you - or us as a country, have taken inthe past thirty years.

You are so angry at the EU for doing all the things that you actually voted for, carried out by the leaders that were democratically elected by yourselves.

And you blame the EU for all the dumb choices that were made over the past generation in this country..... you were there, you made these choices, and now we have to live with them.

 

[originallambrettaman]

You are right. Now that Cameron's going the Remain people can accept the result and accept a delay in their career progression while the "rebels" - who did it out of what was best for the country - will get the top jobs. I listened to a Fallon interview with Andrew Neil and Neil wiped the floor with him over his pathetic attempts to justify his Remain decision. Why didn't he just say: "I don't care. My boss told me to do it!"
If Michael Gove isn't going to stand for Prime Minister then I am backing Boris with Liam Fox my second choice. None of the Remainers have a chance because they will get slaughtered in any interviews.

Gove's a complete twat.

 

[petersaxton]

Going to try and focus on the positives now, well I'll need to find some first, but this sums it up for me:

You know, Brexiters, it wasn't the EU who sold off the council houses, it wasn't the EU who closed down our heavy industries, it wasn't the EU who flogged off state assets cheap, it wasn't the EU who sold off school playing fields, it wasn't the EU who decided that we should recruit doctors and nurses from abroad because it was cheaper than training our own, it wasn't the EU who put untrained teachers in our schools, it wasn't the EU who liberalised credit, it wasn't the EU who encouraged private landlords, it wasn't the EU who introduced and accepted zero hours contracts, it wasn't the EU who permitted the city to speculate so wildly that we will be paying off the debt for generations to come, it wasn't the EU who is cutting the budgets to education, squeezing the NHS and decimated local government.

No, it was the governments who YOU voted for, the rightfully elected governments of this country which you chose at the ballot box. You were given the choice of those governments, and that's who you chose, and they carried out the mandate that you gave them. You were happy to accept the promises and the tax cuts, and you are blaming the EU for all the bad decisions that you - or us as a country, have taken inthe past thirty years.

You are so angry at the EU for doing all the things that you actually voted for, carried out by the leaders that were democratically elected by yourselves.

And you blame the EU for all the dumb choices that were made over the past generation in this country..... you were there, you made these choices, and now we have to live with them.

More illogical ranting from a bad loser. Another person who seems to hate democracy.