Off Topic BREXIT

[Old Tige]

The Remainers have a sense of entitlement and try to belittle anybody who has an opinion opposite to themselves. Bob Geldof and Eddie Izzard encapsulate them perfectly.

So you think two celebrity individuals "perfectly encapsulate" 16,141,241 people?

What happened to that legendary (in your own head) intelligence?

As stupid as it would be to suggest that Boris and Farage "perfectly encapsulate" the 17,410,742 leave voters.

Very dumb thing to say.

 

[petersaxton]

Our economy was doing just fine before this vote, now we've got to face the massive market uncertainty that will lead to a shrinking of our GDP as companies choose to take safer investments while Britain remains in a protracted Brexit negotiation.

To say our economy was more at risk if we remained is absolute twaddle. As we're not liable for a bean if the likes of Greece need a bail out again, due to the agreement signed by Cameron.

I would respectfully point out that you are talking twaddle because you dont seem to understand the limitations of such a deal.

"Draft deal: A pledge that the UK will not be on the hook for future bail-outs of eurozone states - specifically, crisis measures to shore up the euro area "will not entail budgetary responsibility for member states whose currency is not the euro”. The is also a promise of “reimbursement” if a eurozone state rescue-measure calls on general EU funds. (p4 of draft agreement)

A statement noting that any member state, including the UK, can demand that any issue pertaining to the eurozone may be discussed in the European Council, which means all 28 member states. However the clause notes that such a request cannot “amount to allowing one or more member states to veto the effective management of the banking union or the future integration of the euro area” which begs the question over how 'safe' Mr Osborne's safeguard really makes non-eurozone states.

A mechanism whereby an unspecified number of non-euro states can “indicate their reasoned opposition” to a measure being proposed by the eurozone states, and an undertaking that the Council “shall discuss the issue”. The council also pledges to “do all in its power” to engineer a “satisfactory solution” to address the concerns and seek to facilitate “a wider basis of agreement in the Council”. [Draft statement on section A].

Crucially however the text gives no indication of what will happen if such an agreement cannot be reached."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...d-cameron-asked-for-and-what-he-actually-got/

 

[TIGERSCAVE]

BMW and Mini sold about 2.2m cars last year and about 10% of those came to the UK, not 20%.

A falling pound will make retailing those cars into this country a less appealing proposition for the Germans, who'll face having to either heavily subsidise the cost and thus reduce margin or increase the retail prices in this market. They're not going to stop wanting to trade but they'll almost certainly accept a lower volume in this market and seek to cover the shortfall in emerging markets.

Intersting if factual how about we throw into the mix.. PEUGEOT, CITROEN, AUDI, SKODA, SEAT, FIAT, MERCEDES, VW, RENAULT...

 

[modnrock]

I've not been on this thread as i'm still in a state of shock, there is no point as a Remain supporter trying to point out to those who voted leave why we believe they're wrong, people have voted it's over. What happens now and in the future will happen, I hope i'm wrong and that those who have voted for leave don't end up in a situation that is worse than they have now, sadly I think that the largest portion of the less well off in this country will have voted to leave as they have become so dissatisfied with the perceived state of the country that change appeared to be the best option, and if a recession does bite it will unfortunately be those people who get it in the neck first and often hardest. Time will tell.

For those who have voted leave, based on rational thought, fair play to you, but I will leave it with one video which i believe sums up why a decision like this should never have been made by the general public. The first gentleman sums up what I believe to have been a small portion of the exit voters, not representative of all of them by any means, but of a significant enough percentage to have swayed the vote. People so ****ing ill informed and stupid should not be allowed to influence policy so.

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Smile at us, pay us, pass us,but do not quite forget. For we are the people of England and we have not spoken yet. Chesterton

I've not been on this thread as i'm still in a state of shock, there is no point as a Remain supporter trying to point out to those who voted leave why we believe they're wrong, people have voted it's over. What happens now and in the future will happen, I hope i'm wrong and that those who have voted for leave don't end up in a situation that is worse than they have now, sadly I think that the largest portion of the less well off in this country will have voted to leave as they have become so dissatisfied with the perceived state of the country that change appeared to be the best option, and if a recession does bite it will unfortunately be those people who get it in the neck first and often hardest. Time will tell.

For those who have voted leave, based on rational thought, fair play to you, but I will leave it with one video which i believe sums up why a decision like this should never have been made by the general public. The first gentleman sums up what I believe to have been a small portion of the exit voters, not representative of all of them by any means, but of a significant enough percentage to have swayed the vote. People so ****ing ill informed and stupid should not be allowed to influence policy so.

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[petersaxton]

So you think two celebrity individuals "perfectly encapsulate" 16,141,241 people?

What happened to that legendary (in your own head) intelligence?

As stupid as it would be to suggest that Boris and Farage "perfectly encapsulate" the 17,410,742 leave voters.

Very dumb thing to say.

What is the behaviour of Boris and Farage that you can compare to the behaviour of Geldof and Izzard.
I was actually think of the Remainers who are forever whining on about the result and not the sensible ones who are simply getting on with their lives.

 

[petersaxton]

So any other examples of taking back control or is that merely a euphemism for keeping immigrants out? If that is the reason people voted leave that's fine, no need to be embarrassed about it.

And yes I'm afraid I do trust experts like economists over the man in the street, even though the leave campaign encouraged people to distrust the "experts". Wonder why that was...

I think the main reason was taking back our sovereignty. We were limited by the treaties because we had to implement decisions by the EU. I am in favour of the UK making their own decisions.

 

[Off The Line]

I think the main reason was taking back our sovereignty. We were limited by the treaties because we had to implement decisions by the EU. I am in favour of the UK making their own decisions.

I'm in favour of having sex every night but it doesn't mean it'll happen.

 

[petersaxton]

Hmm I really can't see how life for the poorer ignored parts of the country is going to improve under a govt led by Johnson and Gove. In recession. I understand the frustration but this looks like a case of cutting off their noses to spite their faces. I agree completely that the gap between the haves and have nots has grown unacceptably large, and the economy is far too London centric. But that wasn't the question posed was it. I hope all those who voted out get as involved in the next general election.

Ever since I reach the age of 18 I have voted in every general election and every referendum I could vote in.

 

[petersaxton]

I'm in favour of having sex every night but it doesn't mean it'll happen.

What will inhibit us from making our own decisions?

 

[Bengals Tiger]

That's the principal, but not the reality.

In reality we vote for the prime minister or their party, most people couldn't even name the local MP they voted for.

Principal: the person with the highest authority or most important position in an organization, institution, or group.

 

[Old Tige]

What is the behaviour of Boris and Farage that you can compare to the behaviour of Geldof and Izzard.
I was actually think of the Remainers who are forever whining on about the result and not the sensible ones who are simply getting on with their lives.

"encapsulates perfectly"

I blame that **** school and the arrogance it engendered. Can you get your money back?

The remainers may be bleating, as you put it, as they see how blighted their lives are going to be. Or it may just be the shame they feel at the bigoted, insular and outdated image the result gives of their country. In fact in such a large group, there must be numerous reasons. Some of which even you couldn't imagine.

 

[TIGERSCAVE]

I'm in favour of having sex every night but it doesn't mean it'll happen.

When I said that to my other half and asked her if she was for IN or OUT she was disappointed when we turned up at the Polling Station and not upstairs..

 

[Tobes]

I would respectfully point out that you are talking twaddle because you dont seem to understand the limitations of such a deal.

"Draft deal: A pledge that the UK will not be on the hook for future bail-outs of eurozone states - specifically, crisis measures to shore up the euro area "will not entail budgetary responsibility for member states whose currency is not the euro”. The is also a promise of “reimbursement” if a eurozone state rescue-measure calls on general EU funds. (p4 of draft agreement)

A statement noting that any member state, including the UK, can demand that any issue pertaining to the eurozone may be discussed in the European Council, which means all 28 member states. However the clause notes that such a request cannot “amount to allowing one or more member states to veto the effective management of the banking union or the future integration of the euro area” which begs the question over how 'safe' Mr Osborne's safeguard really makes non-eurozone states.

A mechanism whereby an unspecified number of non-euro states can “indicate their reasoned opposition” to a measure being proposed by the eurozone states, and an undertaking that the Council “shall discuss the issue”. The council also pledges to “do all in its power” to engineer a “satisfactory solution” to address the concerns and seek to facilitate “a wider basis of agreement in the Council”. [Draft statement on section A].

Crucially however the text gives no indication of what will happen if such an agreement cannot be reached."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...d-cameron-asked-for-and-what-he-actually-got/

The Telegraph......putting their own spin on the actual facts I.e.that it will not entail budgetary responsibility for bail outs - same as we didn't in 08 btw. We chose to help out Ireland due to the massive UK based banking liabilities that held a huge risk for our banking system.

It wasn't and isn't our problem.

 

[petersaxton]

That's the principal, but not the reality.

In reality we vote for the prime minister or their party, most people couldn't even name the local MP they voted for.

I didn't vote for the local MP - they are a Labour MP and I voted for the Conservative candidate.

I'll tell you what though - I didnt spend the next weekend whining about how it's not fair or people are too stupid for voting how they did.

 

[Tobes]

How was it doung 8 years ago?

You mean when the World financial crash happened driven by the US bundling up ****e debt and selling it to all and sundry? What has that got to do with the EU?

We've recovered quicker and stronger than virtually all of our European counterparts, whilst being a member of the EU.

 

[petersaxton]

When I said that to my other half and asked her if she was for IN or OUT she was disappointed when we turned up at the Polling Station and not upstairs..

Why? You could have gone into one of the cubicles.

 

[originallambrettaman]

I told you.
You have a lot of faith in economists don't you? Are these the same economists who said we should join the Euro?

Many multi-nationals have their European operations in Holland and Ireland as they have better tax regimes than us.

If we didn't have a free trade agreement with Europe, no multi-national would base their European operations here. Obviously.

 

[originallambrettaman]

Is your position that if we have a trade deal with the EU then we wouldn't be allowed to agree a trade deal with countries such as China? If so, do you have any evidence of that?

See my previous post on China, I'm rather surprised an accountant needs it explaining.

 

[Sir Cheshire Ben]

You mean when the World financial crash happened driven by the US bundling up ****e debt and selling it to all and sundry? What has that got to do with the EU?

We've recovered quicker and stronger than virtually all of our European counterparts, whilst being a member of the EU.

We were in the EU when it happened. You can't pick & choose your economies. It's been good in the EU & it's been ****e. What did our recovery have to do with the EU?

 

[Old Tige]

We've recovered quicker and stronger than virtually all of our European counterparts, whilst being a member of the EU.

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Some recovery.