Off Topic BREXIT

[originallambrettaman]

Olm. Tad personal! First sign of a lost arguement but ho hum I aint here to score points. The only thing is they must trade with us to keep their gdp etc. They have more to lose. If we gain trade to outside EU then any blip while we make them see the light all for the good. Go trim the hedge and ill refuel my lammie for the pub run.

The battery's flat on the hedge trimmer, I'm going to have to leave it to charge while I eat.

I didn't mean that to sound as arsey as it did, it's just that the EU simply can't allow us a free trade agreement without restrictions. It would leave us able to do deals that would put us at a massive advantage to the other member states, we could put half of them out of business overnight.

 

[GlassHalfHull]

The EU 6 foreign ministers made it very clear that they're stung by this result. They're not the only ones. What we don't need is knee jerk reactions from the negotiators, but we know that's what we'll get. The EU are already acting as if we've left and that they have nothing to gain by making this an amicable divorce, but that's because they are in a polygamous marriage and they're afraid everyone is going to leave and that all they'll have left is a bedsit and an old sofa.

 

[Edelman]

I've just seen a rerun of the interview. It seems reasonable to me. We'd have control, it wouldn't be freedom of movement, so we'd drop a fair bit of the maastricht agreements, such as the right to citizenship in other countries, which would leave us in the same position we have if we wanted to go to Oz or the US etc., but there would be options on the movement of labour.

There's still be trade agreements, and we'd still have to contribute financially.

For me, a big issue was control over decision making and the ability to vote against them.

It's not so much the measures, as the dynamic of who "controls" them. It's semantics, as we'd still be jumping through similar hoops, but we'd have a perception of sovereignty, even if in reality it's a bit of an illusion. It would feel like we are considered from a local level upwards, rather than being dictated to by the corporates that drive the EU.

But that was what a lot of people where objecting to.
Then to say they want to keep them coming is a kick in the teeth surely.

 

[Amin Arrears]

Word of the week as to be CONTAGION....Love it. I love the way it looks, the way it sounds.....
Basically its the domino effect as more and more Europeans cotton on to the thought that eh...we can also vote to get out of the failed, old boys club that is the EU..
Big election in France...next May...Le Pen does well and France get the vote to Remain or Leave...See you EU...
The Spanish and the Italian think bollocks to this...It will be down to Mrs Merkel to look after Albania. Serbia , Turkey....on their tod...They'll love that!

Spain needs looking after just as much as Alvabia, Serbia, Turkey.

 

[Edelman]

That depends on our future relationship with the EU. The UK has to make a deal with the EU.

People who voted leave where unhappy with the influx of EU (mainly eastern eu) workers.
So to then say they want to keep them coming is rather strange situation.

 

[Trumpton Tiger.]

yet, I bet you still voted for the twat.

If you are referring to me you would have lost your bet.

 

[dennisboothstash]

People who voted leave where unhappy with the influx of EU (mainly eastern eu) workers.
So to then say they want to keep them coming is rather strange situation.

I don't think most voters realised that it was a likely outcome? Not their fault by the way, just poor information for the whole thing

 

[Fez]

We don't yet know what will happen to the EU going forward.

All we do know for certain, is that we'll no longer be able to play any part in the direction it does take.

You are making quite a few predictions; arguing them is as pointless as you stating them as facts.

 

[originallambrettaman]

People who voted leave where unhappy with the influx of EU (mainly eastern eu) workers.
So to then say they want to keep them coming is rather strange situation.

Why do you think Cameron's done one?

He knows perfectly well that nobody can actually deliver what many of the people who voted Leave are expecting.

 

[DMD]

What's all this bullshit about a second referendum? A social media campaign has over a million posts / likes or whatever.

I'd laugh if they won, and then the EU will created a directive to over rule it.

 

[originallambrettaman]

You are making quite a few predictions; arguing them is as pointless as you stating them as facts.

What predictions am I stating as facts?

 

[Fez]

That's right, but listening to the 6 foreign ministers after their meeting you wouldn't think so.

Demanding Britain activates this article 50 thing within days.

Their insistence on telling how to replace the leader of our ruling party is a typical act of Euro arrogance.

 

[modnrock]

The battery's flat on the hedge trimmer, I'm going to have to leave it to charge while I eat.

I didn't mean that to sound as arsey as it did, it's just that the EU simply can't allow us a free trade agreement without restrictions. It would leave us able to do deals that would put us at a massive advantage to the other member states, we could put half of them out of business overnight.

That competition for you . If they push up costs with red tape and working practices fsr better we rape their markets than someone else.

 

[Chazz Rheinhold]

The EU can try and force /coerce/order whatever. Is there the political will to take this on and go for it. I dont think there is. Its scared the politicians.Boris is a ****ing Europhile anyway, so is Michael Howerd.

If they do nothing it will be a ****ing disgrace. Wheres the politician with a plan?

 

[modnrock]

The battery's flat on the hedge trimmer, I'm going to have to leave it to charge while I eat.

I didn't mean that to sound as arsey as it did, it's just that the EU simply can't allow us a free trade agreement without restrictions. It would leave us able to do deals that would put us at a massive advantage to the other member states, we could put half of them out of business overnight.

O and we arnt going to be a member state....

 

[Edelman]

Why do you think Cameron's done one?

He knows perfectly well that nobody can actually deliver what many of the people who voted Leave are expecting.

The trouble is Lamby a lot dont look at more than one issue.
So to then find out that theyre going to not follow through with it would be a disgrace.
Personally i didnt take notice of either side.
I was more interested in what IMF etc had to say.

 

[Edelman]

Sign a deal saying we trade freely with EU and anyone else we care for. They will sign to keep their exports to us. . Ifwe dont get tough then we will end up out but still in! 5 th largest economy and iI say lets start dictating terms.[/QUOTE
Newsflash !!!
We arent the be all end all centre of the Universe that a lot of Parochial tub thumping English think we are.
Its a divorce and they dont go peoples way to my knowledge

 

[Amin Arrears]

Just seen sky news and someone protesting with a banner " I'm not British I'm European " are there many people who think that?

No. We buy stuff from across the Atlantic and export all across Europe. When talking to our suppliers about 'the Europeans' they always find it amusing that I see myself as British and continenters as Europeans, as across the pond they just think of us as european.

 

[Amin Arrears]

I don't think of myself as British, English or European. I don't understand why people are obsessed with borders.

Is hat because you're asian?

 

[Edelman]

Sign a deal saying we trade freely with EU and anyone else we care for. They will sign to keep their exports to us. . Ifwe dont get tough then we will end up out but still in! 5 th largest economy and iI say lets start dictating terms.

Newsflash !!!
We aint the be all end all centre of the Universe that some Parochial tub thumping little Englanders think we are.
That ended over a century ago.!!!
Its a divorce and they nearly always end fractious when one side is unfaithful.