Off Topic BREXIT

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How will you be voting?

  • Remain

    Votes: 89 46.1%

  • Leave

    Votes: 104 53.9%
  • Total voters
    193
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dennisboothstash said:
Ah ok cheers
You're right.
It's the E parliament that has the veto, not an individual country ( in not sure what that means in practice tbh) but it does have to be negotiated with all 27 and agreed by a 'qualified majority' (another thing that I'm not sure about )

From your link
"Quitting the EU is not an automatic process - it has to be negotiated with the remaining 27 members and ultimately approved by them by qualified majority. These negotiations are meant to be completed within two years although many believe it will take much longer. The European Parliament has a veto over any new agreement formalising the relationship between the UK and the EU."
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Look at the graphic - 20 countries with 60% of the population
 
petersaxton said:
"i" and "e"
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Of course you knew I meant the difference in meaning. At least I hope you did.<laugh>

Always laughed at a bit in a book by a Yank who was writing about the differences in this country and the USA in the use of the same language.He wrote of when he first came to this country in thev1950s. He was having a meal on a train and on the menu it said there was a range of condiments to compliment your meal. He said he wasn't sure the meal deserved any compliments but he gave his supplements to the chef anyway.
 
Hull City AFC (DMD) said:
The EU have had a massive wake up call. We've started a ball rolling that was due to fall at some point, so there was no "status quo" vote anyway. EU countries that try to punish us for highlighting it, only serve to reinforce the elitist view many across Europe hold of them.

We could well end up paying the price as a country, but as a region, I think it's for the better.
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And British politicians
I didn't support leaving, but those two things are the positive bits as far as I can see
 
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Hull City AFC (DMD) said:
The scales falling off politicians eyes when it dawned on them how much they'd misunderstood the strength of feeling people had regarding how they're represented (or more accurately misrepresented) is a pretty decent reward to be going on with.
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Quite possibly, but it doesn't pay the bills.

For me, what's most concerning, is that we've come out with absolutely no plan for what happens next. Nobody knows what replacement deal will be done with the EU, which is fair enough, nobody expected we'd be able to find out until we left. But I've not heard anyone say anything at all about any potential new trade deal with anyone else.

We left the EU with promises of increased worldwide trade as a result of being able to negotiate our own trade deals, but nobody has suggested what sort of deals we'll do and who we'll do them with. People also seem to be overlooking the fact that the new trade deal we do with the EU will have restrictions in it that will limit what we can do anyway.

It was quite an achievement getting people to vote leave, when in the end we'll still be sending money to Brussels, we'll still be allowing free movement to large numbers of EU members and we haven't got a single suggestion on what benefits there will actually be.
 
Sterling Archer said:
Why has this pissed off so many people? It was just a social observation based on the people on my own social media newsfeed. At no point did I say it was representative of every voter, in fact I pointed that out in the post. If you've read that and categorised yourself and then taken offence, then **** off. Offence is taken not given, not my problem.

Also, why is it unbelievable that there's a chance people voted with their hearts instead of their head? People were told the EU was bad, so they voted to leave it. I would be willing to bet that on both sides there were people who voted without researching the proper facts.

I don't particularly care which way people voted, it's their right to choose and while the result wasn't the one I've voted for, I'm sure I'll learn to live with it. Donald Trump, Britain First and Nigel Farage all thought it was a good idea to leave so it's a small crumb of comfort that my vote would make these people deeply unhappy.
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Even with the proper facts, you could still end up voting for either. Corbyn is anti the current set up of the EU. It's then down to opinion if it's best to change it from the inside or the outside.
 
originallambrettaman said:
Quite possibly, but it doesn't pay the bills.

For me, what's most concerning, is that we've come out with absolutely no plan for what happens next. Nobody knows what replacement deal will be done with the EU, which is fair enough, nobody expected we'd be able to find out until we left. But I've not heard anyone say anything at all about any potential new trade deal with anyone else.

We left the EU with promises of increased worldwide trade as a result of being able to negotiate our own trade deals, but nobody has suggested what sort of deals we'll do and who we'll do them with. People also seem to overlooking the fact that the new trade deal we do with the EU will have restrictions in it that will limit what we can do anyway.

It was quite an achievement getting people to vote leave, when in the end we'll still be sending money to Brussels, we'll still be allowing free movement to large numbers of EU members and we haven't got a single suggestion on what benefits there will actually be.
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All temporary, as the EU as was, will not be the EU of the future.
 
petersaxton said:
Look at the graphic - 20 countries with 60% of the population
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What does that mean though?
The 20 countries but makes sense, but I'm not sure what the % of the population refers to (it's 65% I think, but is that of all voters/residents/65% in each country/ 65% across EU ?)
Just my lack of knowledge
 
petersaxton said:
We were discussing IQ tests so I was wondering if you had taken a genuine IQ test to see if you knew how they were constructed.
Instead you seemed scared to answer my question and gave the impression that you had taken an IQ test and was ashamed of your score.
You shouldnt be ashamed of your score. Many people have a low IQ and go on to have a fulfilling life.
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As I suggested earlier, you don't seem to recognise that education and intelligence are two different things.

Ironic when your own attitude illustrates that distinction very clearly.
 
petersaxton said:
There was very little evidence or facts that could be used. The main arguments were about sovereignty and potential immigration. Gisela Stuart mentioned the "£350m per week" and said: "If it was my choice I would spend that on the NHS." Gisela Stuart is a Labour politician so would have no say - at the present time - on how it is spend. That didn't stop plenty of people making out the the Leave people were lying.
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So it wasn't emblazoned on the side of a bus that went up and down the country? Oh, okay then.
 
I suspect if the referendum was done with Allam style choices the overall winner would have been stay in the EU but with less immigration - for many the vote wasn't about stay or remain but about less immigration, and to achieve that they voted leave - ultimately the Remain camp failed to get that message across - and as for Corbyn all he came out with was preservation of workers rights, he was particularly useless in the debate
 
Hank Scorpio said:
Seems like there's a lot of Sun reader types on here.

Can't be doing with the complete clowns we're left with across all political parties ie Gove, Boris the Clown, Farage & Corbyn. Labour better get it's arse in gear & start listening to it's electorate again.

All just issued lies to the public & the right just ramped up nationalism to stupid heights. Woe is us the immigrants have taken our jobs. Nowt to do with them doing jobs in places our lazy twats aren't doing.

The UK isn't United, nor have we got rid of the unelected officials that blight democracy, ie the House of Lords.

Younger generations are being told by these Sun reading nationalists that their vote means less because they haven't got the years & life experience & "i was born here" & "these over 65s have the right to vote that way because they secured your freedom" Problem with this country is we're always harping back to the war years. Seems like we'll never move on.

Just hope for the sake of Hull that Siemens stays.
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Daft Sod.
 
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