Off Topic BREXIT

Just seen sky news and someone protesting with a banner " I'm not British I'm European " are there many people who think that?

 

Whilst we all have opinions, the educated and the allegedly uneducated, heated at times at that, this situation is unprecedented as we are the first to leave this European club and despite all the claims and counterclaims no one actually knows what it going to happen in the long term. What is certain is that we have stirred the pot of discontent that has been bubbling up for quite a while against the EU which has gone along undisturbed through it all, up to now. How it will all end up I haven't a clue, and I don't believe anyone else has at the moment no matter how educated or uneducated within the higher echelons or below it portray it. The only certainty is that the Conservatives are still in power, I don't think the calling of a general election is in the offering, despite Cameron's departure. Corbyn is not a credible alternative and for the moment its wait and see time, the Tory European infighting will not go away so that is another scenario that needs to be settled, likewise Labour/Lib Dems whatever. Interesting times indeed.

 

The scales falling off politicians eyes when it dawned on them how much they'd misunderstood the strength of feeling people had regarding how they're represented (or more accurately misrepresented) is a pretty decent reward to be going on with.

 

Sound reasonable, although it if that is his position now then it's effectively the start of a process of haggling...TWT where it ends up

 

4... When the others vote to get out it will be them that are begging to deal with us...
5.... We actually don't have to invoke Article 50 at all. Today we could just say.. '**** you, we're out of here'

 

On the second point we are as far apart on any point that we'll ever be.
No arguing who is right, but Gove certainly polarises opinion

 

I don't think of myself as British, English or European. I don't understand why people are obsessed with borders.

 

No we can't

 

If the conservatives were serous about building a 'listened to' party with someone who would ensure that in leaving we 'do get the best deal', Dan Hannah would be your man. Everything he has said throughout this whole campaign has been measured, considered and reassuring. We haven't heard of him because he's been an MEP but he should be on the front benches.

 

3 No http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36420148

 

What? The difference between compliment and complement?

 

They are always free to go live in Europe.

 

It's not an obsession - it's accepting reality.

 

This was mentioned multiple times yesterday Dennis. Happy to be corrected of course.

 

The EU have had a massive wake up call. We've started a ball rolling that was due to fall at some point, so there was no "status quo" vote anyway. EU countries that try to punish us for highlighting it, only serve to reinforce the elitist view many across Europe hold of them.

We could well end up paying the price as a country, but as a region, I think it's for the better.

 

Why has this pissed off so many people? It was just a social observation based on the people on my own social media newsfeed. At no point did I say it was representative of every voter, in fact I pointed that out in the post. If you've read that and categorised yourself and then taken offence, then **** off. Offence is taken not given, not my problem.

Also, why is it unbelievable that there's a chance people voted with their hearts instead of their head? People were told the EU was bad, so they voted to leave it. I would be willing to bet that on both sides there were people who voted without researching the proper facts.

I don't particularly care which way people voted, it's their right to choose and while the result wasn't the one I've voted for, I'm sure I'll learn to live with it. Donald Trump, Britain First and Nigel Farage all thought it was a good idea to leave so it's a small crumb of comfort that my vote would make these people deeply unhappy.

 

I accept that borders exist, I'm not in denial of them.

 

"i" and "e"

 

It was more an expression of frustrated assertion than democracy. But your sentiment is sound.

 

Ah ok cheers
You're right.
It's the E parliament that has the veto, not an individual country ( in not sure what that means in practice tbh) but it does have to be negotiated with all 27 and agreed by a 'qualified majority' (another thing that I'm not sure about )

From your link
"Quitting the EU is not an automatic process - it has to be negotiated with the remaining 27 members and ultimately approved by them by qualified majority. These negotiations are meant to be completed within two years although many believe it will take much longer. The European Parliament has a veto over any new agreement formalising the relationship between the UK and the EU."