Off Topic BREXIT

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  • Remain

    Votes: 89 46.1%

  • Leave

    Votes: 104 53.9%
  • Total voters
    193
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Politics has become more about personalities than issues. Voting seems to use the same logic as the big brother house, with people refusing to listen to views, simply because they've decided they don't like the person.
 
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BOJACKHCAFCMAN said:
Much the same with me, I've followed the debate after holding certain assumptions and consider myself better informed now, I don't agree with terms like 'flip-flop' as it suggest people should have fixed attitudes and not be open to change or persuasive argument.
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I've travelled around Europe a bit since the last vote. Mainly holiday desinations admitted but travelled non the less. I've seen millions and millions of euros pumped into Spain, Portugal, and the Canary Isles all with large 'Funded by a grant from the European Community' boards for all to see and be grateful too. I don't see many of those signs around here. Better motorway infrastructure then we have around here ( Castle Street and the lack of a footbridge being a good example) and I've seen my home city change beyond recognition over the last dozen or so years. I see my local park a no go area at night and full of eastern European drunks by day, as if we didn't have enough of our own. I see and speak to NHS ( not the International Health Service) staff who are completely overrun, doctors surgeries at bursting point, a brand new and booming translation business and evidence first hand at the local benefits office where I was 'not entitled to even JSA' despite starting work in 1968 and not having claimed a penny piece in benefits before, yet whole families of Eastern Europeans were, complete with translator where getting told which dotted line to sign on and advice on anything they else they demanded. 'Is there anything else we can do for you'?
My work used to involve visiting nurseries which where 100% Eastern European, but paid for by us. My kids have to pay for their childrens nurseries.
We are a small island and perhaps I am an little Englander. But we don't ask for charity and we don't expect it.
I deal with builders who used to work in London now getting under cut on price by gangs of Poles. Not just in London either.
Every other trade I deal with have similar stories.
Sorry, charity begins at home. If you have something to offer and are self suffient and don't expect to leech off us then of course you are welcome otherwise sorry pal, England is full.
 
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originallambrettaman said:
No doubt, but if we're specifically talking about Hull, it was the loss of access to Icelandic waters that caused the demise of the industry here and that wasn't down to the EU.
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I wasn't referring just to Hull, but even the Icelandic situation can't be viewed in isolation .
 
tubbylard said:
Sorry, charity begins at home. If you have something to offer and are self suffient and don't expect to leech off us then of course you are welcome otherwise sorry pal, England is full.
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You do realise that EU migrants cant claim benefits in the UK until they have worked?
 
tubbylard said:
Backs up my point really well. Not much evidence around here.
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And whose fault is that? Clearly the money is there after it has been given to other metropolitan areas for projects, or do you think someone is sat at EU headquarters rubbing their dirty hands laughing maniacally as he turns down another project in Hull?
 
Bum_Chinned_Crab said:
And whose fault is that? Clearly the money is there after it has been given to other metropolitan areas for projects, or do you think someone is sat at EU headquarters rubbing their dirty hands laughing maniacally as he turns down another project in Hull?
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No I just think we have been short changed on a massive scale. As my earlier post said, we had three serving cabinet ministers as our local MP's at one time. Yet still we got short changed.
I vote as I see.
 
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