Off Topic BREXIT

[bum_chinned_crab]

Remind them, the result today determines their breakfast choice for life.

Full English or croissant. It's a no brainer.

Its so infuriating. I said to them "Today's decision impacts on your lives far greater than it does on me or anyone else here at work" (we're all 35+) and they just looked at me blankly. And these are pretty switched on kids with good careers ahead of them, what is your average 18 to 22 year old thinking today? Do they even know its happening?

 

[Barchullona]

The conversation at work with two 22 year olds today was infuriating. One of them just said to me “are we in or out?”

So I said “What do you mean – voting has only just opened!”

“Oh I thought it was finished”.

I then asked if they were registered to vote, neither of them knew, and said even if they were they wouldn’t vote. One asked if he could vote online “cos Im not leaving my house”.

The future of our country is in the hands of ****ing morons.

Sad to think millions are 6 feet under the ground in the cause of maintaining the right to vote. Tens of millions around the world would love the chance to be able to have a say on their future.

Had a row with my lad as he said he didn't know if he could be fussed.

 

[Walter Sobchak]

We won't get a better deal by stopping in. Junker, the unelected apparatchik has already said so.

I think we'd do alright outside the EU eventually, I'm just not prepared for the uncertainty and years of untangling the legislation and the economic 'hit' we would take in the short term.

I'm no lover the EU. Junker can go **** himself.

However, I don't believe we're naturally going to be pulled into a 'super state' and I do think if there was greater integration towards this then the UK would just pull out or veto it. I think at the minute we're right on the edge of what is acceptible and still beneficial for the UK.

 

[Walter Sobchak]

Its so infuriating. I said to them "Today's decision impacts on your lives far greater than it does on me or anyone else here at work" (we're all 35+) and they just looked at me blankly. And these are pretty switched on kids with good careers ahead of them, what is your average 18 to 22 year old thinking today? Do they even know its happening?

How are you voting Bummers?

 

[bum_chinned_crab]

How are you voting Bummers?

For someone who is known on here as being opinionated, I personally dont agree with sharing political opinions. I've not shared my leanings on any social media platforms and I wont be on here. One thing I will say though is I've not changed my mind since the day the referendum was first made part of the Tory election manifesto. i dont quite get these people who flip-flop when they listen to one spokesperson one day and another the next, people dont seem comfortable with their own opinions any more.

 

[Walter Sobchak]

For someone who is known on here as being opinionated, I personally dont agree with sharing political opinions. I've not shared my leanings on any social media platforms and I wont be on here. One thing I will say though is I've not changed my mind since the day the referendum was first made part of the Tory election manifesto. i dont quite get these people who flip-flop when they listen to one spokesperson one day and another the next, people dont seem comfortable with their own opinions any more.

Fair enough.

I don't 'flip flop' as such but I have changed my mind over the course of the debate. Mainly because I didn't know anything before and became more informed.

 

[originallambrettaman]

We won't get a better deal by stopping in. Junker, the unelected apparatchik has already said so.

Fortunately, it's not down to him, it's down the member states to decide what does or doesn't happen in the future.

 

[Clovis Iscariot]

Fortunately, it's not down to him, it's down the member states to decide what does or doesn't happen in the future.

Well that's a relief. I have every confidence that the other member states will listen sympathetically to us on any meaningful reform and do their best to keep us happy.

 

[Barchullona]

Fortunately, it's not down to him, it's down the member states to decide what does or doesn't happen in the future.

You think so?

 

[Trumpton Tiger.]

Its so infuriating. I said to them "Today's decision impacts on your lives far greater than it does on me or anyone else here at work" (we're all 35+) and they just looked at me blankly. And these are pretty switched on kids with good careers ahead of them, what is your average 18 to 22 year old thinking today? Do they even know its happening?

I voted No first time around. In fact I did a bit of leafletting for the No Campaign. The reaction I got on the doorstep 43 years ago was exactly how you describe above.
The local No Campaign was centred mainly around the possible demise of the Hull Fishing Industry and the fear that Hull would lose as many as 10,000 jobs if we joined 'The Common Market' as it was then.
All I got on the doorsteps was a shrug of the shoulders. The apathy was stunning. I think less then 20 % of the electorate bothered to turn out around here.
Those fears came true soon enough and those jobs were lost forever and Hull suffered as a consequence despite at one time having three serving Cabinet Ministers as our MP's.
43 years down the line I have yet to seen anything to replace all those lost jobs, the Fish Docks are derelict and the area is quite frankly a shadow of its former glory.
We now have a B@Q, Barker and Stonehouse, PizzaHut , a cinema and all the usual identi-kit stores where once men and woman had proper jobs working around the clock earning decent wages.
You may as well be in Castleford as Hull. 'Kinell disgraceful waste of a thriving Industry. Can you imagine how much wealth the same industry would bring into Hull now fish is considered a bit of a luxury food ? It could be bought for pennies when Hull was the biggest Deep Sea Fishing Port in the World, how could it be now when £10 for a plate of fish and chips is the norm in most eateries ?
I'm voting OUT.
Common Market my arse.

 

[BOJACKHCAFCMAN]

Fair enough.

I don't 'flip flop' as such but I have changed my mind over the course of the debate. Mainly because I didn't know anything before and became more informed.

Much the same with me, I've followed the debate after holding certain assumptions and consider myself better informed now, I don't agree with terms like 'flip-flop' as it suggests people should have fixed attitudes and not be open to change or persuasive argument.

 

[bum_chinned_crab]

Much the same with me, I've followed the debate after holding certain assumptions and consider myself better informed now, I don't agree with terms like 'flip-flop' as it suggests people should have fixed attitudes and not be open to change or persuasive argument.

No it doesnt mean that at all, it means precisely what it says ' flip flop'. People are perfectly entitled to change their opinion when they become better informed, I wouldnt expect anything else, but I didnt highlight that as an issue. I highlighted - quite specifically - those that change their mind on a daily basis when they hear one argument versus another.

 

[Walter Sobchak]

I voted No first time around. In fact I did a bit of leafletting for the No Campaign. The reaction I got on the doorstep 43 years ago was exactly how you describe above.
The local No Campaign was centred mainly around the possible demise of the Hull Fishing Industry and the fear that Hull would lose as many as 10,000 jobs if we joined 'The Common Market' as it was then.
All I got on the doorsteps was a shrug of the shoulders. The apathy was stunning. I think less then 20 % of the electorate bothered to turn out around here.
Those fears came true soon enough and those jobs were lost forever and Hull suffered as a consequence despite at one time having three serving Cabinet Ministers as our MP's.
43 years down the line I have yet to seen anything to replace all those lost jobs, the Fish Docks are derelict and the area is quite frankly a shadow of its former glory.
We now have a B@Q, Barker and Stonehouse, PizzaHut , a cinema and all the usual identi-kit stores where once men and woman had proper jobs working around the clock earning decent wages.
You may as well be in Castleford as Hull. 'Kinell disgraceful waste of a thriving Industry. Can you imagine how much wealth the same industry would bring into Hull now fish is considered a bit of a luxury food ? It could be bought for pennies when Hull was the biggest Deep Sea Fishing Port in the World, how could it be now when £10 for a plate of fish and chips is the norm in most eateries ?
I'm voting OUT.
Common Market my arse.

Blame the Government and Council for the lack of investment in Hull not the EU.

 

[originallambrettaman]

I voted No first time around. In fact I did a bit of leafletting for the No Campaign. The reaction I got on the doorstep 43 years ago was exactly how you describe above.
The local No Campaign was centred mainly around the possible demise of the Hull Fishing Industry and the fear that Hull would lose as many as 10,000 jobs if we joined 'The Common Market' as it was then.
All I got on the doorsteps was a shrug of the shoulders. The apathy was stunning. I think less then 20 % of the electorate bothered to turn out around here.
Those fears came true soon enough and those jobs were lost forever and Hull suffered as a consequence despite at one time having three serving Cabinet Ministers as our MP's.
43 years down the line I have yet to seen anything to replace all those lost jobs, the Fish Docks are derelict and the area is quite frankly a shadow of its former glory.
We now have a B@Q, Barker and Stonehouse, PizzaHut , a cinema and all the usual identi-kit stores where once men and woman had proper jobs working around the clock earning decent wages.
You may as well be in Castleford as Hull. 'Kinell disgraceful waste of a thriving Industry. Can you imagine how much wealth the same industry would bring into Hull now fish is considered a bit of a luxury food ? It could be bought for pennies when Hull was the biggest Deep Sea Fishing Port in the World, how could it be now when £10 for a plate of fish and chips is the norm in most eateries ?
I'm voting OUT.
Common Market my arse.

The demise of our fishing industry wasn't down to the EU.

 

[Barchullona]

I voted No first time around. In fact I did a bit of leafletting for the No Campaign. The reaction I got on the doorstep 43 years ago was exactly how you describe above.
The local No Campaign was centred mainly around the possible demise of the Hull Fishing Industry and the fear that Hull would lose as many as 10,000 jobs if we joined 'The Common Market' as it was then.
All I got on the doorsteps was a shrug of the shoulders. The apathy was stunning. I think less then 20 % of the electorate bothered to turn out around here.
Those fears came true soon enough and those jobs were lost forever and Hull suffered as a consequence despite at one time having three serving Cabinet Ministers as our MP's.
43 years down the line I have yet to seen anything to replace all those lost jobs, the Fish Docks are derelict and the area is quite frankly a shadow of its former glory.
We now have a B@Q, Barker and Stonehouse, PizzaHut , a cinema and all the usual identi-kit stores where once men and woman had proper jobs working around the clock earning decent wages.
You may as well be in Castleford as Hull. 'Kinell disgraceful waste of a thriving Industry. Can you imagine how much wealth the same industry would bring into Hull now fish is considered a bit of a luxury food ? It could be bought for pennies when Hull was the biggest Deep Sea Fishing Port in the World, how could it be now when £10 for a plate of fish and chips is the norm in most eateries ?
I'm voting OUT.
Common Market my arse.

I actually voted in as I worked in shipping at the time and could see the advantages for importing and exporting.
However the likes of Cunningham and his mates ****ed up and chance of taking advantage of this through containerisation. Stourton near Wakefield benefited and then the Humber Bridge meant Immingham did.
However, I didn't vote for a European Union. Though this was what was planned and those duplicitous bastards Heath and Wilson knew full well but never mentioned as they both were fervently in favour of staying in.

 

[Barchullona]

The demise of our fishing industry wasn't down to the EU.

It didn't help giving up our 12 mile limit and letting Spanish and French boats have free reign.

 

[BOJACKHCAFCMAN]

No it doesnt mean that at all, it means precisely what it says ' flip flop'. People are perfectly entitled to change their opinion when they become better informed, I wouldnt expect anything else, but I didnt highlight that as an issue. I highlighted - quite specifically - those that change their mind on a daily basis when they hear one argument versus another.

Do people really change their mind every day? Maybe thats just a few dumdums mate

 

[DMD]

It didn't help giving up our 12 mile limit and letting Spanish and French boats have free reign.

There are plenty of fishermen actively involved then and now that point to very specific actions by the EU that have destroyed the UK fishing industry.

 

[Cityswall]

The conversation at work with two 22 year olds today was infuriating. One of them just said to me “are we in or out?”

So I said “What do you mean – voting has only just opened!”

“Oh I thought it was finished”.

I then asked if they were registered to vote, neither of them knew, and said even if they were they wouldn’t vote. One asked if he could vote online “cos Im not leaving my house”.

The future of our country is in the hands of ****ing morons.

I think that could be the problem for Remain.
The grey vote is probably out and most likely to vote. If the young Remain vote has this attitude then Remain maybe screwed.

 

[Sir Cheshire Ben]

Do people really change their mind every day? Maybe thats just a few dumdums mate

I've swayed from one side to the other on a regular basis. Glad it's done now. In the end it was made easy for me.