Off Topic BREXIT

All the doom and gloom about what will happen to the economy if we leave, bear in mind over the last 5 years the oil price has been as high as 150$ and less than 30$. the FTSE over 7000 and less than 5000. the euro to pound got to 1 to 1 in 2009 and as high as 1 to 1.5 now fallen back to 1.3.

The sky won't fall down if we leave.

 

Out!

 

Evidence? None? Perhaps you're scaremongering?

Or believing other scaremongerers.

Why do we need the permission of the EU to do well?

Is doing well we would be a threat to the stability of the EU, in that others would wish to copy that, in a domino effect?

Of course that would be a bad thing, you say. How, I ask?

 

I think leaving the EU could be a good thing, but not right now. We're just starting to stabilise after the recession and there isn't a powerful leader to be seen anywhere in this country.

Throwing the country into uncertainty with a simpering buffoon at the helm (take your pick of any of party leader), left unchecked by his higher uppers in the European government, would be a car crash.

Best case scenario - we remain and this whole episode makes the European government sit up and realise there's need for massive reforms. And absolutely no ****ing need for diesel particle filters or egr valves.

 

And all of this has been done whilst we have been an EU member state? Perhaps disturbing those on watch might not be such a bad thing, as it would have been before the global (almost) financial meltdown.

As with most things, to do with this topic, that quote is a typical Curate's Egg and requires cautious digestion.

 

Will the pencils get the blame?

 

I'm not sure where many of these have been hibernating for the last ten years.

 

um... how do you know?

 

Fix.

 

Having an exit poll on an exit poll could get confusing for some, which is possibly why they're not running one.

Remember, if we leave, we stay here, if we remain we go to Europe.

 

I wonder if leaving the EU would introduce difficulties for european footballers to gain work permits to play in England?

I'd suspect not as I expect that any trade deals with Europe would require us to maintain allowing the free movement of people, but if it does it would be good for English football.

 

how would it be good?
the premier league would end up like the SPL.

 

Of course we won't get a 'better' deal economically with the EU by leaving. The EU club's existence means we can't.

It has to be more financially beneficial to those in it than those not in it otherwise no one would be in it.

We'll probably have to agree to all its rules anyway if we want to access the free trade, or pay a huge fee if we don't - either way we won't do better economically out of the EU.

And how many years will individual trade deals take?

The only logical argument for leaving the EU is the one based on sovereignty and its importance - which is a perfectly fair and reasonable argument.
But leave economics out of it cause we won't do better outside of it.

 

The rest of the world's big players seem to manage well enough outside of it.

We need to be confident, and look outward and global not inward and afraid.

 

Sadly I think you're right.

On the plus side, if that is the outcome, it's far from a vote of confidence and it should surely make the EU realise that a big percentage of people think it's not working as it is and look to address that.

I think more and more people have had their eyes opened to the duplicity and lies of politicians and so called experts on both sides of the argument.

 

He has an exclusive stream.

 

We won't get a better deal by stopping in. Junker, the unelected apparatchik has already said so.

 

The conversation at work with two 22 year olds today was infuriating. One of them just said to me “are we in or out?”

So I said “What do you mean – voting has only just opened!”

“Oh I thought it was finished”.

I then asked if they were registered to vote, neither of them knew, and said even if they were they wouldn’t vote. One asked if he could vote online “cos Im not leaving my house”.

The future of our country is in the hands of ****ing morons.

 

Remind them, the result today determines their breakfast choice for life.

Full English or croissant. It's a no brainer.