Off Topic BREXIT

[balkan tiger]

All the doom and gloom about what will happen to the economy if we leave, bear in mind over the last 5 years the oil price has been as high as 150$ and less than 30$. the FTSE over 7000 and less than 5000. the euro to pound got to 1 to 1 in 2009 and as high as 1 to 1.5 now fallen back to 1.3.

The sky won't fall down if we leave.

 

[DaveyH]

Hope this is ok Mods. I'm not like some of you lot who can post all day tomorrow and discuss it. Close it the day after.

I' m a definite OUT. I doubt it will happen though. The scaremongering has been a disgrace. The use of the Mp being killed has also been a disgrace.
I saw Cameron have his arse handed to him on Sunday night on the BBC, 3 hours later on the BBC news it was so heavily edited to make him look brilliant it was sickening.

So, IN or OUT and try and be civil.

Out!

 

[Fez]

Whatever your opinion on sovereignty, immigration and the rest, I have seen absolutely no convincing arguments that the Brexit will do anything other than seriously harm us economically in the short to medium term. If we were to leave and prosper then it would evidently create a domino effect whereby all the other EU countries look to leave. For this reason the EU as an organisation can absolutely not afford us to do well out of a leave vote. If we do leave we will suffer, and that isn't "scaremongering" it is basic common sense.

Evidence? None? Perhaps you're scaremongering?

Or believing other scaremongerers.

Why do we need the permission of the EU to do well?

Is doing well we would be a threat to the stability of the EU, in that others would wish to copy that, in a domino effect?

Of course that would be a bad thing, you say. How, I ask?

 

[Amin Arrears]

I think leaving the EU could be a good thing, but not right now. We're just starting to stabilise after the recession and there isn't a powerful leader to be seen anywhere in this country.

Throwing the country into uncertainty with a simpering buffoon at the helm (take your pick of any of party leader), left unchecked by his higher uppers in the European government, would be a car crash.

Best case scenario - we remain and this whole episode makes the European government sit up and realise there's need for massive reforms. And absolutely no ****ing need for diesel particle filters or egr valves.

 

[originallambrettaman]

Remain's going to win 53/47.

 

[Fez]

A mate posted this:

If it happens tomorrow, Brexit really would be the final piss on the face from the British baby boomers to every other generation to come.

They have:
Received the lions share of the benefit from the largest asset revaluation and therefore wealth transfer in history (property);
Received the lavish spending of the newly formed welfare state before governments caught up to its cost;
Had a working life that spanned across the period of the fastest western hemispherical economic growth in history;
Distributed one-off incomes such as North Sea oil to themselves rather than build up national surplusses;
Retired before the state pension age has been increased with their life expectency; and then
Legislated that they should receive guaranteed defined benefit pensions, i.e. placed full economic risk on other generations throughout their 20-30 year retirement
And in spite of all that, left public finances in a far weaker situation than they started it.

It is probably fitting that they now seek to carry us kicking and screaming out of the EU, out of the single market, out of the resulting international trade agreements that generate wealth for the country to pay for the obligations to themselves that they have created and we (everyone else) still honour, all because of some vague concept of "sovereignity" and a distaste for immigrants that flies in the face of a five minute economic analysis.

I would urge you to remind any baby boomers that you know that their blessings have been their childrens curse. The pot is not even empty, it's full of IOUs with their kids names on them to pay for second houses whilst their kids are renting flats in zone 5. We can only refill our pot by generating wealth. Our best method of generating wealth is international trade. Do not disturb it.

And all of this has been done whilst we have been an EU member state? Perhaps disturbing those on watch might not be such a bad thing, as it would have been before the global (almost) financial meltdown.

As with most things, to do with this topic, that quote is a typical Curate's Egg and requires cautious digestion.

 

[Sir Cheshire Ben]

Remain's going to win 53/47.

Will the pencils get the blame?

 

[Fez]

All the doom and gloom about what will happen to the economy if we leave, bear in mind over the last 5 years the oil price has been as high as 150$ and less than 30$. the FTSE over 7000 and less than 5000. the euro to pound got to 1 to 1 in 2009 and as high as 1 to 1.5 now fallen back to 1.3.

The sky won't fall down if we leave.

I'm not sure where many of these have been hibernating for the last ten years.

 

[PattyNchips2]

Remain's going to win 53/47.

um... how do you know?

 

[balkan tiger]

Remain's going to win 53/47.

Fix.

 

[DMD]

Having an exit poll on an exit poll could get confusing for some, which is possibly why they're not running one.

Remember, if we leave, we stay here, if we remain we go to Europe.

 

[Amin Arrears]

I wonder if leaving the EU would introduce difficulties for european footballers to gain work permits to play in England?

I'd suspect not as I expect that any trade deals with Europe would require us to maintain allowing the free movement of people, but if it does it would be good for English football.

 

[PattyNchips2]

I wonder if leaving the EU would introduce difficulties for european footballers to gain work permits to play in England?

I'd suspect not as I expect that any trade deals with Europe would require us to maintain allowing the free movement of people, but if it does it would be good for English football.

how would it be good?
the premier league would end up like the SPL.

 

[Walter Sobchak]

Of course we won't get a 'better' deal economically with the EU by leaving. The EU club's existence means we can't.

It has to be more financially beneficial to those in it than those not in it otherwise no one would be in it.

We'll probably have to agree to all its rules anyway if we want to access the free trade, or pay a huge fee if we don't - either way we won't do better economically out of the EU.

And how many years will individual trade deals take?

The only logical argument for leaving the EU is the one based on sovereignty and its importance - which is a perfectly fair and reasonable argument.
But leave economics out of it cause we won't do better outside of it.

 

[DMD]

Of course we won't get a 'better' deal economically with the EU by leaving. The EU club's existence means we can't.

It has to be more financially beneficial to those in it than those not in it otherwise no one would be in it.

We'll probably have to agree to all its rules anyway if we want to access the free trade, or pay a huge fee if we don't - either way we won't do better economically out of the EU.

And how many years will individual trade deals take?

The only logical argument for leaving the EU is the one based on sovereignty and its importance - which is a perfectly fair and reasonable argument.
But leave economics out of it cause we won't do better outside of it.

The rest of the world's big players seem to manage well enough outside of it.

We need to be confident, and look outward and global not inward and afraid.

 

[DMD]

Remain's going to win 53/47.

Sadly I think you're right.

On the plus side, if that is the outcome, it's far from a vote of confidence and it should surely make the EU realise that a big percentage of people think it's not working as it is and look to address that.

I think more and more people have had their eyes opened to the duplicity and lies of politicians and so called experts on both sides of the argument.

 

[Barchullona]

um... how do you know?

He has an exclusive stream.

 

[Barchullona]

Of course we won't get a 'better' deal economically with the EU by leaving. The EU club's existence means we can't.

It has to be more financially beneficial to those in it than those not in it otherwise no one would be in it.

We'll probably have to agree to all its rules anyway if we want to access the free trade, or pay a huge fee if we don't - either way we won't do better economically out of the EU.

And how many years will individual trade deals take?

The only logical argument for leaving the EU is the one based on sovereignty and its importance - which is a perfectly fair and reasonable argument.
But leave economics out of it cause we won't do better outside of it.

We won't get a better deal by stopping in. Junker, the unelected apparatchik has already said so.

 

[bum_chinned_crab]

The conversation at work with two 22 year olds today was infuriating. One of them just said to me “are we in or out?”

So I said “What do you mean – voting has only just opened!”

“Oh I thought it was finished”.

I then asked if they were registered to vote, neither of them knew, and said even if they were they wouldn’t vote. One asked if he could vote online “cos Im not leaving my house”.

The future of our country is in the hands of ****ing morons.

 

[DMD]

The conversation at work with two 22 year olds today was infuriating. One of them just said to me “are we in or out?”

So I said “What do you mean – voting has only just opened!”

“Oh I thought it was finished”.

I then asked if they were registered to vote, neither of them knew, and said even if they were they wouldn’t vote. One asked if he could vote online “cos Im not leaving my house”.

The future of our country is in the hands of ****ing morons.

Remind them, the result today determines their breakfast choice for life.

Full English or croissant. It's a no brainer.