Off Topic BREXIT

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How will you be voting?

  • Remain

    Votes: 89 46.1%

  • Leave

    Votes: 104 53.9%
  • Total voters
    193
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As a British Ex-Pat a leave vote would be a pain in the arse for me personally and would involve all sorts of paperwork. However, as I have a Swedish wife and daughter and pay the top 61% tax bracket I very much doubt they'd be putting me back on a boat to Hull.

As I don't intend to move back to the UK at any point I've decided not to vote, even though I could as I've not been out of the country for 15 years. I and other ex-pats I know have been targeted by the stay campaign with tales of horror and zombie apocalypse.

If I was to vote I'd probably vote to leave even though I do feel very much a European even if that is second to being British.

I think the European Union was a wonderful idea with the potential to deliver a lot of value to its citizens but I feel the current framework of ever closer union doesn't work for such a diverse set of economies. It's a bit like collectivism in that it's a good idea on paper but once the bureaucracy and personal agenda of the various politicians takes hold it goes off the rails. (I'm not suggesting the EU is communist )

The expansion to include the eastern states has IMHO made the system even more ponderous and able to deliver less values to EU citizens as a whole. Ironically the expansion was driven by the UK to dilute the hegemony of France/Germany.

For me it would be a reluctant goodbye.
 
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TIGERSCAVE said:
I'm glad that you're doing well Filey, but I must take task with your reasoning. Every year, multiple 'skilled' people are refused visa applications to work in this country who may be specialists in their field who could and likely would benefit the workforce in this country. We are told as part of the scare campaign that leaving the EU would have a detrimental effect on multiple services not least the NHS. What has been proposed is a point system which would allow nurses, doctors and multiple other skilled people from say, the Philippines, South America et al to come to this country and 'work' paying into society benefiting our economy and culture as has been the case with the amazing help you have had. What will not happen, if we leave the EU is that those EU migrants already here and working will be asked to leave. Those who in the future want to work here from the EU will have to prove like everyone else that they are a benefit and not a drain on society. In short, we could pick who we need and refuse who we don't. That covers farming migrants who would still have access to work here where our residents will not fill those rolls. What it will allow us to do is to stop pick pocket gangs, health migrants and those of low intellect who would have little or no hope of gaining employment in this country. For Cameron to say, 'if after 6 months they haven't got a job they will be asked to leave' is farcical, can you imagine someone walking up to some Greek or other and saying, 'will you go home please'!!!!... the Turkish issue is another and as I have already suggested is a total substantiated smokescreen. There are only so many pizza delivery jobs in this country!!!!!...
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Always happy to learn things Mr Cave.

Thanks for that info .
 
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ellewoods said:
No, you cant vote for self determination to leave the EU and then tell another set of people that they dont have the right to self determination because you tell them you dont want them to leave. If the English want to leave the EU but Scotland wants to stay then they should have that option to leave you after the vote.
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Why? We conquered the ****s.

Does each and every state in the US get a vote to leave whenever anything they don't like gets passed?
 
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In or out lammy man ?

Or have i missed your choice .

Great thread this....i get to learn stuff i didnt know..

One important thing to me is the EU
Countries allow dogs to travel between eu countries with out 3 months quarantine.

If we leave the eu will we go back to the 3 month quarantine rule

Quite important to me as i help a romanian lady who sends unwanted dogs to the uk
Which is alot easier at the moment because of the eu rule.
 
CITYfiley said:
If we leave the eu will we go back to the 3 month quarantine rule

Quite important to me as i help a romanian lady who sends unwanted dogs to the uk
Which is alot easier at the moment because of the eu rule.
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There's no reason why the UK government would HAVE to reinstate the 3 month quarantine. The UK government could CHOOSE their own rules whether dog passport or quarantine. Those rules are to stop rabies getting into the UK not out.
 
CITYfiley said:
In or out lammy man ?

Or have i missed your choice .

Great thread this....i get to learn stuff i didnt know..

One important thing to me is the EU
Countries allow dogs to travel between eu countries with out 3 months quarantine.

If we leave the eu will we go back to the 3 month quarantine rule

Quite important to me as i help a romanian lady who sends unwanted dogs to the uk
Which is alot easier at the moment because of the eu rule.
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I did wonder if people would read my post and get to the end wondering if I was advocating in or out. <laugh>

I think the EU has many failings, so many that I'm inclined to vote leave (in fact, I was planning to a week or so ago), but I I suspect leaving will not solve most of the problems that most think it would and there's a reasonable chance that we'd end up in a worse place, so it's likely I'll now vote to remain.

Pet passports do not just apply in the EU, you can bring animals into the UK from many places without quarantine, as long as they're chipped and you have the right paperwork (the same as applies in the EU).
 
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originallambrettaman said:
I did wonder if people would read my post and get to the end wondering if I was advocating in or out. <laugh>

I think the EU has many failings, so many that I'm inclined to vote leave (in fact, I was planning to a week or so ago), but I I suspect leaving will not solve most of the problems that most think it would and there's a reasonable chance that we'd end up in a worse place, so it's likely I'll now vote to remain.

Pet passports do not just apply in the EU, you can bring animals into the UK from many places without quarantine, as long as they're chipped and you have the right paperwork (the same as applies in the EU).
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My dog from romania just spent 2 days in kennels ... She was chipped and had a health certificate and a Romanian/ EU passport

Glad to hear things shouldnt change.
 
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The last paragraph pretty much echos the point I made...

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A random bloke, presumably a rather wealthy one, has paid for a full page add in today's Metro...

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The last paragraph pretty much echos the point I made...

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0.5% may not sound much but if it continues for 10 years then that would add 3.3m (5%) to the population.

Unless there's massive investment in housing, schools, NHS, transport - that's well past breaking point.
 
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