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After being stripped of his belt for inactivity, I see that Guillermo Rigondeaux has been reinstated as the WBA Junior Featherweight Champion and will defend his title in Cardiff's Ice Arena tomorrow against the UK's James Dickens. Rigo is 1-33 while Dickens is 31-2 on Oddschecker.

Wilder is 1-16, Arreola 15-1.
 
Manny Pacqioua's retirement seems to have been short lived. His promoter Bob Arum has confirmed he has been asked by Paqiouas team to find an opponent for October or November. Arum has drawn up a short list of Danny Garcia, Jesse Vargas or the winner of Viktor Postol/Terence Crawford fight. All credible opponents and if I had to choose I'd like to see Pacqioua/Crawford
 
Cyclonic said:
What did you think of the Wilder - Arreola fight Smoke?
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Pointless really. Joshua gets plenty of stick for fighting 'nobodies' but Wilder fights bum after bum. Apart from Stiverne, and he's not exactly a world beater the best wilder has fought is probably Audley Harrison, that's how poor his opponents have been! I just hope we get to see all these so called top heavyweights fight each other at some point. Wilder was saying after the fight that he's got a pulled muscle and a broken right hand yet he still dominated Arreola, that says more about how poor his opponent is than how well Wilder did with an injury. I was really looking forward to Wilder/Povetkin I think that would have been a genuine test for him against a bloke who can box and actually has a bit about him
 
Ok I know that there subjects that don't make for enjoyable reading, but sometimes they can be raised in debate. Drugs in sport. First up, I'm going to stick a arm in the air and confess to being seriously dubious when it comes to the cleanliness of much of today's top class sport. I look at the starting line up of a world class 100m sprint event, and ask myself ...are they ****ing kidding? Have they in their training, ever taken a banned substance? I can't in all fairness admit to believing that they have not been tainted. As they stand before the starter, they should be clean, the juice having cycled our of them, but they just don't seem natural to me. I suppose all of us can point to a person or sport that raises a suspicion in us. I just seem to see those suspicions all over the place.

And now for the ugly bit. I know a lot of people in the UK are huge Anthony Joshua fans, as Americans are of Deontay Wilder. Some will never believe that either of these two fighters would ever soil themselves in such a manner, others will admit to having a few doubts, and yet others will tend to be more of a cynic. Of course as things stand, they are clean, they have to be. Neither has tested positive as far as I know. On the subject of these two gentlemen, a great deal of mud has been slung. The net is full of doubting Thomas'. In posting this comment, I open myself up to a charge bias. But then again, if I commit myself to the issue, I must not complain if I get swallowed up in the backwash. Anyone got anything to say on the pics below?

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Yes. Why do so many boxers grow beards? Is it to soften a blow to the chin? Is a sign of weakness?

And good for Joshua. No sign of tattoos; hate the ****ing things
 
I'm about as cynical as they come but I'm inclined to believe that if athletes test clean then they are clean. The amount of testing that they go through now it's pretty difficult to not get caught
 
smokethedeadbadger said:
I'm about as cynical as they come but I'm inclined to believe that if athletes test clean then they are clean. The amount of testing that they go through now it's pretty difficult to not get caught
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Do they do random (unannounced) checks between fights?
 
Ron said:
Do they do random (unannounced) checks between fights?
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Yes, piss, blood and hair testing. They've really clanped down on it in recent years that's why this year and last there's been a spate of boxers failing drug tests. I think in boxing and mma for those who take PED I think it should be a lifetime ban. When you're participating in a sport where someone can get seriously hurt or killed it's a bit more serious than in pretty much any other sport
 
Again, all supposition. Remember the leaked IAAF files of 5000 athletes? Scientists Robin Parisotto and Michael Ashenden looked at the files and stated.

  • A third of medals (146, including 55 golds) in endurance events at the Olympics and World Championships between 2001 and 2012 were won by athletes who have recorded suspicious tests. It is claimed none of these athletes have been stripped of their medals.
  • More than 800 athletes - one in seven of those named in the files - have recorded blood tests described by one of the experts as "highly suggestive of doping or at the very least abnormal".
  • A top UK athlete is among seven Britons with suspicious blood scores.
  • British athletes - including Olympic champion heptathlete Jessica Ennis-Hill - have lost out in major events to competitors who were under suspicion.
  • Ten medals at London 2012 were won by athletes who have dubious test results.
  • In some finals, every athlete in the three medal positions had recorded a suspicious blood test.
  • Russia emerges as "the blood testing epicentre of the world" with more than 80% of the country's medals won by suspicious athletes, while Kenya had 18 medals won by suspicious athletes.
  • Stars such as Britain's Mo Farah and Jamaican sprinter Usain Bolt recorded no abnormal results.
  • Athletes are increasingly using blood transfusions and EPO micro-doses to boost the red cell count.
 
I actually forced myself to sit up and watch the Wilder fight and it was clear as day he had an issue with his right hand and arm throughout, so I'd be hesitant to judge him too harshly. He basically beat Arreola with the one hand. His speeds impressive I'll give him that. How he measures up against Fury, AJ, Klit etc I don't think anyone really has a clue as only 2 of them have fought anyone.

The de Carolis v Zeuge fight was quite entertaining, baffled how it was scored a draw mind you but we know the scorecards in Germany tend to favour the home fighter.
 
Looks like there'll be two fascination fights in Osaka tonight, both of them title bouts. As an exciting young upstart Kazuto Ioka, climbed into the pro ring for just the seventh time, when he faced one of the great Thailand fighters of the modern era, Oleydong Sithsamerchai, a man who in only his third bout, captured the WBC Youth Minimumweight Title. He would defend that bauble an unbeaten sixteen times. Then came his chance against the best, he beat Eagle Den Junlaphan for the full WBC Minimumweight Title. Junlaphan would hold that belt aloft six more times before he ran into and was stopped by Kazuto Ioka in the fifth round of their meeting. Ioka then went back to back WBC wins, then added the WBA Minimumweight title before relinquishing both belts and moving up to win the WBA Light Flyweight title. Three undefeated title wins saw him again give up the belt to move higher. He then set his sights on one mean mother Amnat Rouenrong, IBF bad boy and the reigning Flyweight king who had, just three months before, beaten Rocky Fuentes for the vacant title. In a battle royal, Kazuto Ioka went down in a split decision. Three fight later the WBA Featherweight Title was his. Tonight he looks to make his fourth shutout, this time against Keyvin Lara of Nicaragua, a man given little hope. One quote has Kazuto Ioka at 1-50, Lara at 10-1. It should be a one sided affair, but it's always good to see a class act at work.

The second fight is going to be a more even affair. After Frampton dumped his Bantamweight belt, the IBF ordered a No1 Shingo Wake and No2 Jonathan Guzman into the ring for the vacant title. Neither man has fought for a world strap before this. Wake of Japan is a fast moving boxer with sharp hands, while his Dominican opponent is the quintessential thumper. This fight is all about styles. Wake is not a puncher, but pundits expect the southpaw to win through ring craft, if he manages reach the final bell. Guzman on the other hand appears to be a walking, gloved up, smashing machine. He's had 21 fights, and nobody has beaten the count. To gain this bout, Guzman had to face off against Mexican Daniel Rosas. It was a brutal affair. After being dropped twice and copping a right old beating, the ref stepped in and ordered a merciful end. The big question now is whether Guzman can catch Wake and inflict enough pain to put an end to the bout, or will Wake's guile see him home. I can't get a trusted betting market on the fight, so a win either way wouldn't surprise me at all.
 
smokethedeadbadger said:
The man is a delusional prick, really can't stand him!

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Blokes a ****.

Problem is he is also surrounded and advised by them.

He should be looking long and hard in the mirror and asking himself do i really want to get knocked the **** out, badly, again?

Because in all seriousness, Khan has been BANGED out. Not stopped or worn down- banged clean out on at least two occasions now. Three depending on whether you want to include the brutal Garcia knockdowns.

His father and the other advisors show total disregard to his health.

He's not a big name in boxing. He won a world title against some Ukranian paper champ, couldn't even beat Lamont Peterson FFS.
 
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