Benedict Arnold finally speaks.

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saintanton said:
Can't say I understand that myself, tbh.
I'm born and bred Scouse - I also think of myself as English, British, European etc, etc. I don't see myself as fundamentally different to others because of my birthplace or background.
I'd much rather people saw us all as one than all this divisiveness.
Not mad keen on singing the National Anthem, but that's for the same reasons I've outlined above.
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Maybe living in a different country from your birth has expanded your view on your personal identity. :bandit: When I've been abroad, or even elsewhere in these isles, and asked where I'm from my answer is always Liverpool. I'm proud to say it. Obviously I'm all the others you mention, English etc. but they aren't big in my self identification. I don't 'feel' European but I do feel scouse. One of the best things about coming home from holiday is hearing the scouse accent. You know you're home. I don't feel as home hearing an English accent as I do hearing scouse.

I think the view that the Union flag is somehow right wing and/or divisive is ridiculous. It's like Evertonians not liking anything coloured red, as if it's only connotation is with LFC. We don't own the colour red and they don't own the colour blue. They don't seem to realise that they are giving us some sort of power over them that doesn't actually exist.

I think it's easy to identify in direct opposition to someone else and feeling very proud while doing so and still have the best of relationships.
 
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johnsonsbaby said:
Maybe living in a different country from your birth has expanded your view on your personal identity. :bandit: When I've been abroad, or even elsewhere in these isles, and asked where I'm from my answer is always Liverpool. I'm proud to say it. Obviously I'm all the others you mention, English etc. but they aren't big in my self identification. I don't 'feel' European but I do feel scouse. One of the best things about coming home from holiday is hearing the scouse accent. You know you're home. I don't feel as home hearing an English accent as I do hearing scouse.

I think the view that the Union flag is somehow right wing and/or divisive is ridiculous. It's like Evertonians not liking anything coloured red, as if it's only connotation is with LFC. We don't own the colour red and they don't own the colour blue. They don't seem to realise that they are giving us some sort of power over them that doesn't actually exist.

I think it's easy to identify in direct opposition to someone else and feeling very proud while doing so and still have the best of relationships.
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I think people the world over are just people. There's good and bad and all points in between everywhere. No one ethnic or regional group has any claim to be better than any other.
I'd have thought that - as football fans - given the global nature of the game and the cosmopolitan composition of the teams we watch, we would be in a good position to have an appreciation of our common humanity.
 
saintanton said:
I think people the world over are just people. There's good and bad and all points in between everywhere. No one ethnic or regional group has any claim to be better than any other.
I'd have thought that - as football fans - given the global nature of the game and the cosmopolitan composition of the teams we watch, we would be in a good position to have an appreciation of our common humanity.
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I agree with all of this.

Do people really think that one nationality or race or religion etc.is better than the others? I regard them as just different. You can be proud of being from one country without that being seen as you thinking you're better than all the others surely.
 
Yeah, its all bollocks.

I also think its bollocks when fans, even ours, say things like "he's the best midfielder in the world" or they're "the best CB partnership in the world" when they don't have a ****ing clue about other players across Europe let alone the world.
 
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Gerrardsitchyear said:
Yeah, its all bollocks.

I also think its bollocks when fans, even ours, say things like "he's the best midfielder in the world" or they're "the best CB partnership in the world" when they don't have a ****ing clue about other players across Europe let alone the world.
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I like seeing fans say things like that because even if I don't agree, I admire people's passion. Best Midfield in the World was one of our best songs :)
 
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Gerrardsitchyear said:
Yeah, its all bollocks.

I also think its bollocks when fans, even ours, say things like "he's the best midfielder in the world" or they're "the best CB partnership in the world" when they don't have a ****ing clue about other players across Europe let alone the world.
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It's just a fan thing. How many no-mark teams' fans sing "by far the greatest team...etc"? They know it's not true, but got to support your team.
 
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Thus Spake Zarathustra said:
Said last week before the Arse game that he should have done a Mane and kept his mouth shut until after the parade. I expect Madrid as much as FSG were keen to get him to publicly burn his bridges with Liverpool, and that's to do with this monstrous FIFA club jamboree in the US this summer.

Well, the team is out in Dubai enjoying a well-earned party, but there doesn't appear to be any Trent with them. That is sad if true because Trent has earned the presentation, the parade, and this holiday as much as anybody, but perhaps he's under orders from Real (effectively his bosses now) to not overindulge with this 'tournament' coming up. What utter ****housery.

All this said though, has the national (and even international) media ever focussed so much on a player being booed by their own fans? We won the league with a month to spare, and May was always going to be one long party culminating with a million+ parade at the end of it - they just weren't going to allow us to enjoy that narrative, were they? The rogue's gallery of former players, pundits, and sports journos venting their hypocritical dogshit about how this booing is the worst booing ever, ever, ever in world history is vomit-inducing. Now to add to that, we even have fans from other clubs who've made booing current and former players into a practised art form feeding off it all to hide their fume about us romping the league. I mean, really - Southampton fans taking a moral high horse on booing your own players? Everton fans? ****ING ARSENAL FANS! :emoticon-0119-puke:
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I've booed our players a lot this season. Spineless ****s have deserved it <laugh>
 
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saintanton said:
Or maybe not...:)
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I support them too and tbh our support has been excellent this season given the circumstances. Much better than they've deserved frankly.

A lack of effort is unforgivable though, especially when you're earning that sort of money.
 
Libby said:
I support them too and tbh our support has been excellent this season given the circumstances. Much better than they've deserved frankly.

A lack of effort is unforgivable though, especially when you're earning that sort of money.
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Agree 100% with this. I can accept people not being good enough, but not trying just isn't on.
 
saintanton said:
Ungrateful sod - you should be cheering them on. They're taking all this flak and they only did it for you because they know you hate the PL.
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<laugh> well played.

They could have done that while still running themselves into the ground and not shipping 5 at home to the likes of Brentford though.
 
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So, Trent was not only there - it was all about him. Hope Real paid for it all. <eek>

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InBiscanWeTrust said:
There is no right or wrong. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

Heard someone say something earlier which makes sense.

Trent and most footballers went the best of both worlds.

He wants all the adulation of the lfc fans while also getting all the benefits of moving to Madrid and everything that comes with it. It’s very rare that players can get both and have to accept that he has upset a group of people
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Imagine being given media trained and having advisors to foresee what public opinion maybe like if they didn't put out the correct message. Seems to me that whoever was advising them didn't read the room or have a notion about what happens when you say one thing but mean another (captain the club for example).

Klopp leaving also likely impacted this decision just like vvd and salah running down their contracts.

Madrid has the pull of trophies and his buddy is there. Obviously better buddy than Robertson now that he would leave him behind .

There was a better way to play this out and at the end of season probably was his least damaging but choosing to announce after us lifting the league appears to fed into the ego as some mentioned.
 
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Trent can't really say "sorry lads, I'm off for lots of money and easy medals and real have promised me a nomination for a golden balloon if I sign"

His statement was always going to come across as not the real reasons.

The stuff deliberately left in at the start to try and make it look authentic just made it worse.

He was better releasing a letter than a video and better doing it a year ago or on may 27th
 
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