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[AshtonRed]

Somebody born with a penis and testicles is a male. Somebody born with a penis and testicles has a male brain - the male brain is a diferent size to a females. Those are biological facts.

Somebody who is transitioning is not a genuine one? One what? Transitioning to what and how?

Transitioning people stop and will stop being sexual and will not have sex?

You dont think women have rights to female only spaces?

Does your partner speak for an entire sex? Wiz hasn't dictated, society has evolved to create the secure female area (single sex spaces) he refers to.

No she doesn’t, and neither do you, I was just giving you a woman’s perspective, which obviously you can’t have, being as how you have a penis and a male brain.

evolve being a key word, it can equally evolve to allow for trans people.

 

[Cliftonville]

No she doesn’t, and neither do you,

I have not stated I have.

I was just giving you a woman’s perspective, which obviously

You used the word dictate. Wiz was not dictating. Society by creating sex based laws and structures does.

evolve being a key word, it can equally evolve to allow for trans people.

You appear to have avoided answering the majority of the questions you were asked. What is a geniune one? What is a trans person?

What are you evolving? To what? Why?

Women and men get raped I society, should we close down society, no we deal with the rapists. Rape is awful crime wherever it happens, that’s not the point I’m making. Rapists are deviants full stop. Trans people are not all rapists

In fact Most rapists are men , not trans people, men in the conventional sense.

All rapists are men. Rape can only be committed with a penis. Only males have penises.

Rape and Sexual Offences - Chapter 7: Key Legislation and Offences | The Crown Prosecution Service (cps.gov.uk)

A response from society to sexual crime is creating single sex spaces. Do you think females have no right to their single sex spaces?

Do trans people commit any sexual crimes?

 

[realred1952]

Remember females cant rape

WRONG... they can

 

[Angelicnumber16]

Women and men get raped I society, should we close down society, no we deal with the rapists. Rape is awful crime wherever it happens, that’s not the point I’m making. Rapists are deviants full stop. Trans people are not all rapists

In fact Most rapists are men , not trans people, men in the conventional sense.

I didn't say all Trans people are rapists. But virtually all rapists are men whether they identify as a man or a woman. They are still a man biologically and no amount of people telling us differently will change it.

What people identify as is completely irrelevant. There are only 2 sexes, despite Starmer not knowing what a woman is.

Despite the best efforts of the likes of the NHS drawing up literature to ask men in their 60's if they're pregnant, or some men calling themselves women who complain of period pain is just a total load of nonsense, for people who may be mentally ill, deranged, or even Autistic.

What I said was that there are plenty of men that are sexual predators, who are now openly masquerading as women because they now think they have a perfect loop hole in the law that they can exploit, with all the self identity stuff going on that includes no medical referrals or checks and they are an accident waiting to happen in women only spaces.

 

[Cliftonville]

WRONG... they can

A female can only be an accompllce. I provided a link to Crown prosecution service website.

Rape involves penetration of the vagina, anus or mouth by a penis, therefore a woman can only commit this offence as an accomplice.

Rape and Sexual Offences - Chapter 7: Key Legislation and Offences | The Crown Prosecution Service (cps.gov.uk)

Here is another one from the BBC.

According to the law, only a man can commit rape (as the penetration has to be with a penis).

Microsoft Word - Rape.docx (bbc.co.uk)

 

[realred1952]

You dont think women have rights to female only spaces?

the world is much bigger than just Bristol or any part of it, differing parts of the truth [ the whole world ] have different views and practices. Our interpretations are based on years of change and personal preference. Rules are manufactured to make things easier or fit into picture.
Unisex was unheard of when I went to school / college.
BTW a person who I knew as "girl" had a few relationships with "boys" [ were fully functioning unmarried partners!] In 2010 "she under went all the medical motions!" now has to shave! uses the gents ........ has a female partner?

 

[AshtonRed]

I didn't say all Trans people are rapists. But virtually all rapists are men whether they identify as a man or a woman. They are still a man biologically and no amount of people telling us differently will change it.

What people identify as is completely irrelevant. There are only 2 sexes, despite Starmer not knowing what a woman is.

Despite the best efforts of the likes of the NHS drawing up literature to ask men in their 60's if they're pregnant, or some men calling themselves women who complain of period pain is just a total load of nonsense, for people who may be mentally ill, deranged, or even Autistic.

What I said was that there are plenty of men that are sexual predators, who are now openly masquerading as women because they now think they have a perfect loop hole in the law that they can exploit, with all the self identity stuff going on that includes no medical referrals or checks and they are an accident waiting to happen in women only spaces.

You rightly say most rapists are men, not trans people, and yet you want to prevent genuine trans people from accessing female spaces, bearing in mind if they used male facilities due to ignorant men, they would likely be attacked or abused. Or even raped themselves. Very strange

 

[Cliftonville]

the world is much bigger than just Bristol or any part of it, differing parts of the truth [ the whole world ] have different views and practices. ?

I dont understand your point. Single sex spaces are part of UK law. Thats our fact (truth).

 

[AshtonRed]

I didn't say all Trans people are rapists. But virtually all rapists are men whether they identify as a man or a woman. They are still a man biologically and no amount of people telling us differently will change it.

What people identify as is completely irrelevant. There are only 2 sexes, despite Starmer not knowing what a woman is.

Despite the best efforts of the likes of the NHS drawing up literature to ask men in their 60's if they're pregnant, or some men calling themselves women who complain of period pain is just a total load of nonsense, for people who may be mentally ill, deranged, or even Autistic.

What I said was that there are plenty of men that are sexual predators, who are now openly masquerading as women because they now think they have a perfect loop hole in the law that they can exploit, with all the self identity stuff going on that includes no medical referrals or checks and they are an accident waiting to happen in women only spaces.

How do you suggest we operate?, because whether you like it or not, there are genuine trans people, what facilities should they use? They need to go somewhere & if they use male facilities they are likely to be beaten up, abused or raped by men. We can’t just wish them away, they exist.

 

[Red Alert]

How do you suggest we operate?, because whether you like it or not, there are genuine trans people, what facilities should they use? They need to go somewhere & if they use male facilities they are likely to be beaten up, abused or raped by men. We can’t just wish them away, they exist.

You should be the one saying how stuff is going to operate. Whats this genuine thing?? Because your genuine does that mean you can go into a refuge for women rape victims?? Does this mean you can be naked in front of my mrs her friends and kids in the local sports centre female changing rooms??

My partner when I showed her Wiz’s post said who is he to dictate on behalf of women, she thought your view was patronising.

My Mrs agrees with Wiz. Your dictating.

 

[Angelicnumber16]

How do you suggest we operate?, because whether you like it or not, there are genuine trans people, what facilities should they use? They need to go somewhere & if they use male facilities they are likely to be beaten up, abused or raped by men. We can’t just wish them away, they exist.

If we're going to keep on pandering to 0.5% of a single percentage of the population then there should be separate facilities for Trans Men and Trans Women and they should also have their respective sports separately as well.
Because frankly, Leah Thomas who was 500th in swimming as a bloke and 1st as a woman in the USA is just a sick joke and undermines real women. Then there is the risk of real women who pretend they are a man getting seriously injured if they compete in physical sports like rugby. They are built differently to men who have been through puberty.
The same percentage of Trans people - 0.5% of 1 percent, is the same number of people who have a nut allergy serious enough to kill them. Yet we don't hear them undermining the rest of society and crying for their rights every second of every day. Why is that ? Because they don't have a bunch of lefty activists stirring the sh*t up at every opportunity.

 

[AshtonRed]

You should be the one saying how stuff is going to operate. Whats this genuine thing?? Because your genuine does that mean you can go into a refuge for women rape victims?? Does this mean you can be naked in front of my mrs her friends and kids in the local sports centre female changing rooms??



My Mrs agrees with Wiz. Your dictating.

I’ve said how I think it should operate, they should be allowed into female facilities, or they should have facilities of their own. what they shouldn’t have to do is be forced to use male facilities and face victimisation and abuse.

 

[AshtonRed]

If we're going to keep on pandering to 0.5% of a single percentage of the population then there should be separate facilities for Trans Men and Trans Women and they should also have their respective sports separately as well.
Because frankly, Leah Thomas who was 500th in swimming as a bloke and 1st as a woman in the USA is just a sick joke and undermines real women. Then there is the risk of real women who pretend they are a man getting seriously injured if they compete in physical sports like rugby. They are built differently to men who have been through puberty.
The same percentage of Trans people - 0.5% of 1 percent, is the same number of people who have a nut allergy serious enough to kill them. Yet we don't hear them undermining the rest of society and crying for their rights every second of every day. Why is that ? Because they don't have a bunch of lefty activists stirring the sh*t up at every opportunity.

Try eating nuts on a flight where a nut allergy person is flying. You won’t be allowed to. Labelling legislation has changed for allergies as have menus, not enough granted, but they have. I know because my partner has nut allergies.
On your other point there’s never been anything stopping a man dressing as a woman and using women’s facility, and raping or abusing them, I don’t see how that affects trans people using women’s facilities.

 

[Red Alert]

I’ve said how I think it should operate, they should be allowed into female facilities, or they should have facilities of their own. what they shouldn’t have to do is be forced to use male facilities and face victimisation and abuse.

Who should be allowed into female facilities?? females.

 

[AshtonRed]

Who should be allowed into female facilities?? females.

As I said on a previous post men have always been able to dress as women and use their facilities in order to abuse or rape them, I don’t see how allowing trans people, who have transitioned or are in the process of transitioning will create any more of a threat

 

[Red Alert]

who have transitioned or are in the process of transitioning will create any more of a threat

so allowing men into womens facilities doesnt change anything? there is no change to privacy or decency or safety???

 

[AshtonRed]

so allowing men into womens facilities doesnt change anything? there is no change to privacy or decency or safety???

My point was to allow genuine people who are transitioning to a female to use female facilities, in answer to the point that this would allow men to pretend to be women, I merely pointed out men have always been able to do that , and allowing trans people to use women’s facilities wouldn’t therefore increase the threat.,

 

[Red Alert]

My point was to allow genuine people who are transitioning to a female to use female facilities, in answer to the point that this would allow men to pretend to be women, ,

so if you say your genuine you can do what you want??? you can go and change in front of my mrs her friends and kids in the female changing rooms and it doesnt matter what they think??? you could play in a womens football team? you could box versus women because your genuine??

 

[Cliftonville]

and allowing trans people to use women’s facilities wouldn’t therefore increase the threat.,

If this is a statement of fact, you would be able to use an evidence base.

Increasing the numbers of individuals that can access a facility can increase risks. Changing the sex-based nature of a facility has to alter risk. Potential risks could be compromises to decency, privacy and safety.

If we look at safety. To state allowing trans people to use women’s facilities wouldn’t therefore increase risk (threat), you would have to be able identify that trans people display sexual patterns that parallel females. Can you identify that evidence?

 

[bcfcredandwhite]

I get the unease about trans people choosing what toilet or changing room to use - tbh I would feel uncomfortable if a trans person walked into a urinal and hitched his/her skirt up to pee next to me.
I know a trans person personally - she (formerly he) gets that too and avoids toilets and changing rooms wherever possible for that very reason to avoid offending people.