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El_Bando said:
So Michelin have thrown their hat into the ring..

I wouldn't mind another tyre war. though if Pirelli lose out then I think its a bit unfair on them. I believe the tyre failures have been to do with how the teams are abusing them, hot air from exhausts etc
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not overly surprising, the opportunity was there. I'd like to see the teams have a choice of primes and options from both manufacturers at each race, if you force teams to sign with one or the other it's inevitable some will lose out, and then they're pretty screwed for the whole season.
 
Bernie Ecclestone insists that Pirelli will remain as F1's sole supplier 2014, despite Michelin having thrown its hat into the ring.
The French company has now confirmed to the FIA that it is interested in the role, leaving both the teams and Pirelli in limbo as they prepare for 2014.
Some top teams are known to be interested in at least discussing a change, despite the short lead time Michelin has before the start of testing for next season in late January.
Ecclestone has always been close to Pirelli, and has a lucrative commercial deal with the Italian manufacturer for trackside advertising and so on. Meanwhile, FIA president Jean Todt is known to be sympathetic to Michelin.
One senior team figure told Autoweek at Spa that it would require a bold decision by Todt to open the door for Michelin at this late stage, and given that an FIA election is coming up, such a controversial move seemed unlikely.
When asked by Autoweek about Michelin's chances, Ecclestone said simply that "FOM and Pirelli have a contract."
Asked why there was not yet a contract between the FIA and Pirelli -- the one that Paul Hembery says he is awaiting -- Bernie dismissed its relevance.
"We don't need one, I don't think," he told Autoweek. "They are nothing to do with commercial. The FIA's position is that they are regulators, they regulate all the regulations that have been agreed."
He was keen to downplay any role for Todt in the process of selecting the F1 tire supplier.
"Jean is the president of the FIA. If it's a matter of a vote in the World Council, he has one vote. As it's not a matter for the World Council, it doesn't make a lot of difference."
Ecclestone also denied that there was any interest from the teams in joining forces with Michelin.
"None of the teams who have spoken to me have said that. All the teams who have spoken to me say they are very happy with Pirelli, and the problems they've had, they're happy that they've dealt with them."
Although the regulations currently ensure that F1 has a sole supplier, there does seem some logic in a move towards competition in the future, given that both companies appear to be willing to pump money into the sport. Michelin has always preferred competition.
Intriguingly, Ecclestone said he does not support the idea of Michelin competing with Pirelli, "because they will want to pick the teams that they think will win, and they'll pay them a lot more money to take them as opposed to somebody else. We have a deal with Pirelli, anyway."
Exactly how the tire saga will play out in the coming weeks remains to be seen, but the bottom line is that time is running out for all concerned.
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Michelin wanted a war but it sounds like Bernie doesn't like the idea as it involves money
 
Paul Hembery said:
It was a big flat spot that put a huge hole right the way through the tread. There's not a lot we can do about that one. It was after 21 laps (on the set of tyres) so he (Perez) was at the end of the stint. That was the lap life - 20-22 laps, which meant he didn't have a lot of compound left on the tyre. But he actually went beyond that as he he went through two or three layers of aramid (heat resistant fibres used in the structure of the tyre). It was a big lock up and he just burned this huge hole which lost air, and when tyres do that, all sorts of things can happen. So we've absolutely no fears going forward. The structure we used now is what we have used for the last two years and there hasn't been an issue.
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Really don't think Pirelli can be blamed for their tyres being driven down to the carcass. McLaren should've pitted Perez if his tyres were that bad, as Mercedes should've with Hamilton when his tyres were clearly "****ed".
 
AbsolutelyGlorious said:
Really don't think Pirelli can be blamed for their tyres being driven down to the carcass. McLaren should've pitted Perez if his tyres were that bad, as Mercedes should've with Hamilton when his tyres were clearly "****ed".
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In my opinion the tyres are "****ed" before they are even fitted to the cars, Alonso is absolutely correct, he states the tyres will not even withstand 5km of proper racing.

Overbrake like Perez and your life is at risk, what a fiasco, I don't bother watching the races any more, qualy is better.

And you're right its not Pirellis fault, it's the FIA and Ecclestone trying to attract more followers by doctoring the bloody rubber and creating incidents like tyre blow out's to please the casual idiot viewer.
 
AbsolutelyGlorious said:
Really don't think Pirelli can be blamed for their tyres being driven down to the carcass. McLaren should've pitted Perez if his tyres were that bad, as Mercedes should've with Hamilton when his tyres were clearly "****ed".
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ErnieBecclestone said:
In my opinion the tyres are "****ed" before they are even fitted to the cars, Alonso is absolutely correct, he states the tyres will not even withstand 5km of proper racing.

Overbrake like Perez and your life is at risk, what a fiasco, I don't bother watching the races any more, qualy is better.

And you're right its not Pirellis fault, it's the FIA and Ecclestone trying to attract more followers by doctoring the bloody rubber and creating incidents like tyre blow out's to please the casual idiot viewer.
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Yes, I agree with both of you but also, ironically, the mid-season safety changes have all but killed the competition, leaving Red Bull unbeatable while not curing the safety issues; it's the fiasco that keeps on failing.
 
A lock-up like Perez's never used to cause a hole being burnt through the carcass and causing the tyre to fail like that.

Pirelli are too on the edge with their constructions and their is simply no safety-play with how the tyres are made.
 
How many ways are there to make a quickly degrading tyre that keeps it's integrity? the paradox is in the question.
 
Looks like Williams are testing the tyres.

" Whats this? Pirelli trucks have arfrived at Brands hatch while the Williams F1 team are here"

@WilliamsF1Team - Busted!

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Looks like a partner day with Sussie driving.
 
I think it's been scheduled for another track but still the same time.
 
I think it's been scheduled for another track but still the same time.
 
The race had to be cut from 27 laps to 19 because Bridgestone said the tyres couldn't last more than ten laps.
 
The Moto GP race became farcical. I think they were wrong to impose such a narrow pit window. In fact, I think it should have been entirely up to the riders to decide when to come in.

I also think that disqualifying Marquez for an oversight of little consequence was disproportionate. A time penalty would have been a more reasonable punishment.
 
cosicave said:
The Moto GP race became farcical. I think they were wrong to impose such a narrow pit window. In fact, I think it should have been entirely up to the riders to decide when to come in.

I also think that disqualifying Marquez for an oversight of little consequence was disproportionate. A time penalty would have been a more reasonable punishment.
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The point of having the pit window and shortening the race to 19 laps was to ensure that no one did more than the ten laps Bridgestone had said was safe. The alternative was to call the race off on safety grounds so I think they did the right thing. The DSQ seems harsh but it depends what was said before the race. I have no sympathy for Marquez, he's ridden his luck and got away with it a lot this year.
 
Yes, AG: I knew what the thinking behind the decision was too. However, having made riders aware that they were only good for about 10 laps and that they would absolutely be required to pit by a temporary rule, I felt they could have left more responsibility with riders and teams to choose their own moment, since there would be no sense in being excessively adrift of roughly 50% race distance in any case.
 
Pirelli are once again trying to help the people who love to moan.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/110777

We all know the teams will be moaning about the tyres next year despite the fact things are increasingly the fault of the teams and the FIA. It can't be that hard to build a basic F1 car with a 2014 engine for Pirelli to do in house testing. There's probably scores of solutions but because all the teams only want gains for themselves they sit there stubbornly. Maybe teams should get extra tyres if they agree to some of Pirelli's plans ;)
 
BrightLampShade said:
Pirelli are once again trying to help the people who love to moan.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/110777

We all know the teams will be moaning about the tyres next year despite the fact things are increasingly the fault of the teams and the FIA. It can't be that hard to build a basic F1 car with a 2014 engine for Pirelli to do in house testing. There's probably scores of solutions but because all the teams only want gains for themselves they sit there stubbornly. Maybe teams should get extra tyres if they agree to some of Pirelli's plans ;)
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maybe the FIA should open the doors to a 12th and 13th team. They could do the testing in season. Problem solved (Also Honda may want to power one of these teams to get some running in too)
 
Gary Anderson - More problems for Pirelli

Gary Anderson said:
Pirelli have had a lot of problems this year, but to me they made the wrong choice of tyres to take to both Korea at the beginning of October - when they were heavily criticised by Alonso and Mark Webber - and India. The 'soft' tyre in India was basically a qualifying tyre - useful for one lap and not much more. That's not what F1 needs. They should have brought the medium tyre and the hard tyre to India. Some people would have done one-stop strategies; some would not. But Pirelli would not have had the embarrassment they did in India. The tyres do not need to be as much as a second a lap apart in pace as they were in India. Half-a-second is enough.
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I disagree with him here. The medium tyre was a superb race tyre here, the problem once again is the rules regarding tyre allocations; both the soft and the hard would've been unsuitable in India, and the strategy would've been the same as the teams tried to spend as little time on the hard tyres as possible. He then says the tyres don't need to be as much as a second apart, but they have to cover 19/20 very different race tracks in varying conditions with just four tyres, and they have to bring two to each race. They need to be allowed to produce a wider range of tyres and they should scrap the rules saying the teams need to use both compounds in the race. India would've been fine if the teams could've used options for quali and then primes for the race with the option of putting some softs on for a short stint at the end.
 
Red Bull confirm change in tyres helped them

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/24717889

"Going back to 2012 tyres for sure helped us," Red Bull designer Adrian Newey said.

"Our car generally gets quite a bit of its benefit in the high-speed corners and the '13 tyres were much more load-sensitive.

"It was much easier to damage them if you put too much load into them, so we couldn't really use that high-speed benefit on the '13 tyres."


So there you have it. What was a good 2013 WDC, handed straight to Red Bull.
 
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