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Discussion in 'Formula 1' started by BrightLampShade, Nov 1, 2012.

  1. remraflibregremralkram

    remraflibregremralkram New Member

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    not overly surprising, the opportunity was there. I'd like to see the teams have a choice of primes and options from both manufacturers at each race, if you force teams to sign with one or the other it's inevitable some will lose out, and then they're pretty screwed for the whole season.
     
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  2. El_Bando

    El_Bando Can't remember, where was I? Forum Moderator

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    Michelin wanted a war but it sounds like Bernie doesn't like the idea as it involves money
     
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  3. u408379965

    u408379965 Well-Known Member

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    Really don't think Pirelli can be blamed for their tyres being driven down to the carcass. McLaren should've pitted Perez if his tyres were that bad, as Mercedes should've with Hamilton when his tyres were clearly "****ed".
     
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  4. ErnieBecclestone

    ErnieBecclestone Well-Known Member

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    In my opinion the tyres are "****ed" before they are even fitted to the cars, Alonso is absolutely correct, he states the tyres will not even withstand 5km of proper racing.

    Overbrake like Perez and your life is at risk, what a fiasco, I don't bother watching the races any more, qualy is better.

    And you're right its not Pirellis fault, it's the FIA and Ecclestone trying to attract more followers by doctoring the bloody rubber and creating incidents like tyre blow out's to please the casual idiot viewer.
     
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  5. Max Whiplash

    Max Whiplash Well-Known Member

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    Yes, I agree with both of you but also, ironically, the mid-season safety changes have all but killed the competition, leaving Red Bull unbeatable while not curing the safety issues; it's the fiasco that keeps on failing.
     
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  6. allsaintchris.

    allsaintchris. Well-Known Member

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    A lock-up like Perez's never used to cause a hole being burnt through the carcass and causing the tyre to fail like that.

    Pirelli are too on the edge with their constructions and their is simply no safety-play with how the tyres are made.
     
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  7. Big Ern

    Big Ern Lord, Master, Guru & Emperor

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    How many ways are there to make a quickly degrading tyre that keeps it's integrity? the paradox is in the question.
     
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  8. Smithers

    Smithers Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Looks like Williams are testing the tyres.

    " Whats this? Pirelli trucks have arfrived at Brands hatch while the Williams F1 team are here"

    @WilliamsF1Team - Busted!

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    Looks like a partner day with Sussie driving.
     
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  9. El_Bando

    El_Bando Can't remember, where was I? Forum Moderator

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    whats happened to the McLaren test then?
     
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  10. Smithers

    Smithers Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    I think it's been scheduled for another track but still the same time.
     
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  11. Smithers

    Smithers Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    I think it's been scheduled for another track but still the same time.
     
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  12. TomTom94

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  13. u408379965

    u408379965 Well-Known Member

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    The race had to be cut from 27 laps to 19 because Bridgestone said the tyres couldn't last more than ten laps.
     
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  14. cosicave

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    The Moto GP race became farcical. I think they were wrong to impose such a narrow pit window. In fact, I think it should have been entirely up to the riders to decide when to come in.

    I also think that disqualifying Marquez for an oversight of little consequence was disproportionate. A time penalty would have been a more reasonable punishment.
     
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  15. u408379965

    u408379965 Well-Known Member

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    The point of having the pit window and shortening the race to 19 laps was to ensure that no one did more than the ten laps Bridgestone had said was safe. The alternative was to call the race off on safety grounds so I think they did the right thing. The DSQ seems harsh but it depends what was said before the race. I have no sympathy for Marquez, he's ridden his luck and got away with it a lot this year.
     
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  16. cosicave

    cosicave Well-Known Member

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    Yes, AG: I knew what the thinking behind the decision was too. However, having made riders aware that they were only good for about 10 laps and that they would absolutely be required to pit by a temporary rule, I felt they could have left more responsibility with riders and teams to choose their own moment, since there would be no sense in being excessively adrift of roughly 50% race distance in any case.
     
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  17. BrightLampShade

    BrightLampShade Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Pirelli are once again trying to help the people who love to moan.

    http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/110777

    We all know the teams will be moaning about the tyres next year despite the fact things are increasingly the fault of the teams and the FIA. It can't be that hard to build a basic F1 car with a 2014 engine for Pirelli to do in house testing. There's probably scores of solutions but because all the teams only want gains for themselves they sit there stubbornly. Maybe teams should get extra tyres if they agree to some of Pirelli's plans ;)
     
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  18. El_Bando

    El_Bando Can't remember, where was I? Forum Moderator

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    maybe the FIA should open the doors to a 12th and 13th team. They could do the testing in season. Problem solved (Also Honda may want to power one of these teams to get some running in too)
     
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  19. u408379965

    u408379965 Well-Known Member

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    Gary Anderson - More problems for Pirelli

    I disagree with him here. The medium tyre was a superb race tyre here, the problem once again is the rules regarding tyre allocations; both the soft and the hard would've been unsuitable in India, and the strategy would've been the same as the teams tried to spend as little time on the hard tyres as possible. He then says the tyres don't need to be as much as a second apart, but they have to cover 19/20 very different race tracks in varying conditions with just four tyres, and they have to bring two to each race. They need to be allowed to produce a wider range of tyres and they should scrap the rules saying the teams need to use both compounds in the race. India would've been fine if the teams could've used options for quali and then primes for the race with the option of putting some softs on for a short stint at the end.
     
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  20. allsaintchris.

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    Red Bull confirm change in tyres helped them

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/24717889

    "Going back to 2012 tyres for sure helped us," Red Bull designer Adrian Newey said.

    "Our car generally gets quite a bit of its benefit in the high-speed corners and the '13 tyres were much more load-sensitive.

    "It was much easier to damage them if you put too much load into them, so we couldn't really use that high-speed benefit on the '13 tyres."


    So there you have it. What was a good 2013 WDC, handed straight to Red Bull.
     
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