Ayew = Selfish?

No chance we would sell, no chance he would want to sign for you. His next move will be to a top 6 team for what I would expect to be at least 20m.
I mean we drove Liverpool up to 15m for Allen ffs and 28m for Bony . We don't and never have let players go cheaply. No chance are we going to start now.

 

Why would he go to a struggling club with no hope and

Why do think our ears should prick up when someone says "potential" he's not even average at this level , thanks but no thanks. You keep him and see if you get the best out of him , many have tried and failed.

 

Since I've been on these forums Breezy you've always been a big fan of the Swans' knack of buying low and selling big, and I I get that I really do. But now is not the time and there are serious flaws in this approach, not least of which is who we are able to get in as a replacement. Patting ourselves on the back at making £6M or even £18M on Ayew will prove to be more than a little hollow if we are relegated, thereby losing out on £120M. Yes, we may revert to a more conventional shape but have we honestly got anyone else right now who can score goals with any degree of regularity? No. Is there a guarantee that the person coming in will score the goals to keep us up? No.

Some raised an eyebrow at Shelvey's departure but if Ayew goes (and I don't think he will) we are well and truly throwing in the towel. It would be seen as complete madness with few positives and I would have to agree. Yes, there are upsides - one real and one potential - but they are minuscule by comparison to what's at stake here.

It's common sense that regardless of any players who might come in it's very foolish to sell your best players in the January window when your team is flirting with relegation.

 

Sunderland remain in negotiations to sign Swansea forward Andre Ayew, although there are serious question marks over the possibility of Fabio Borini being involved in any deal.

The Black Cats saw an initial bid rejected for Ayew more than a week ago after making a shock approach for the Ghana international.

But Sunderland have continued talks over the 26-year-old, amidst reports last night that an offer of £10million-plus Borini has been submitted to the Welsh club.

Sunderland sources insist that no bid has been made of that size, although the club’s interest remains firm, with Ayew thought to be Sam Allardyce’s top target ahead of Monday’s transfer deadline.

Swansea are interested in Borini too, with new boss Francesco Guidolin understood to be a fan of the Italian and the idea of a swap deal originating from the Liberty Stadium.

However, sources close to Borini - who enjoyed a loan spell at Swansea earlier in his career - continue to insist that the ex-Liverpool man will “100 per cent” be staying at Sunderland this month.

Borini only returned to Sunderland in a £7.75m deal last summer and although he was clearly unhappy at being substituted in last weekend’s 1-1 draw with Bournemouth, he is not looking to move on in this window.

Sunderland boss Allardyce confirmed last week that he still wants to add a forward and a defender to his squad before the end of the transfer window.

 

...oh yes, and I forgot to add that we'd be selling to a relegation rival - and one that has struggled for season upon season. Madness.

 

I've constantly said if Ayew was to go , not let him go to a relegation team , said the same thing about Shelvey .
I'm not going to keep expressing the reasoning , I feel I'm beating a dead horse .
All that being said , If worse came to worse and this deal went through with Sunderland (now Aussie , this isn't saying I want Ayew to go to Sunderland ok ) I could thing of worse outcomes .
Ayew would have payed for his wages while he was here and we would get a 8 to 10 million pound striker in Borini .....FOR FREE. We could use another striker to go along with Gayle when Gomis is traded for Gayle any day .Borini , Gayle and Eder would do the job , as would Gayle and Eder .... As would Ayew , Gomis and Eder.
To much panic around here , our best and most important transfer seems to be Monk imo

 

It's not panic, it's common sense, but we're still right in the mire. You say you are flogging a dead horse but it's you that is being inconsistent.

Your response to a Sunderland fan's post earlier about selling Ayew to them was this: "18 million , keep Borini ....SOLD !"

Now you're saying that you never stated that you would sell him to a relegation rival. It's difficult to have a debate when you keep shifting position. Whatever your views I firmly believe that you don't sell a proven goalscorer when you're in the ****. There's a £120M bigger picture here, and to say that "Gayle, Eder and Borini would do the job" is nonsense. Eder hasn't proved himself yet despite having chances, Borini has been shown wanting at this level and Gayle isn't getting games at Palace for a reason. Big, big risk that may or may not pay off. POTENTIALLY a good signing if Ayew stays.

Unlike you Breezy, I CAN actually think of a worse outcome than Ayew going to Sunderland. It's him scoring the goals to keep them up whilst we go down.

 

That's the board talking and my lips moving Aussie , if someone offers 18 million for Ayew ..the board WILL sell him
....the rest of you're post .....dead horse ......except to say why do you want to keep a selfish player (insert question mark here )

 

Fab
Naughton , Fernandez , Williams , Taylor
Barrow , Ki , Britton , Ki , Siggy , Routledge
Borini
There is goals in this line up , a more Swansea type line up too .
Selling Ayew to Norwich would be worse than selling him to Sunderland ....Ayew is great , but Sunderland need a miracle .

 

Personally, I would not sell Ayew to the Mackems. Whilst I don't think he fits in with our "normal" style, it could well be that he will be "perfect" for the way that Guidolin wants to play. Indeed, I thought that Ayew did really well last Sunday - let's not forget that he was responsible/involved in both goals against Everton.

As for saying that Sunderland need a miracle - last season, Leicester were bottom of the table after 29 games with only 19 points. 7 points adrift of safety and 9 adrift of Hull who eventually went down.

Look where Leicester are now .... perhaps miracles can and do happen

 

You're very glib in your old age, Breezy. Taff is right. Firstly, you don't know that Ayew will be sold if £18M is offered. I actually think they won't sell this window unless it's well above that and even then they'd have to think twice, but that's my opinion.

Re the 'selfish' thread, as you well know I was merely pointing out that Ayew has had opportunities in recent games to play a through ball but has gone on alone and lost the ball. Seems others agree with that observation. I have also been dead set against selling Ayew - but you know that too so I'm unsure what point you're trying to make. Just another barb, I guess. Have you decided whether you'd sell him to a relegation rival yet? First you say you wouldn't then you say sold!

Lastly - if you think there's goals in that lineup well that's your opinion too. Borini is completely overrated by our fans in my view and I think there's more goals in the current Sunderland lineup + Ayew. It won't be just madness to sell him to them - the Board should be taken away by guys in white coats if it happens.

 

I find it strange that an opposition manager sees something in Ayew that some of our own don't .Borini is not a PL player whereas Ayew is

 

Of course I don't know if the board will sell Ayew for 18 million ....I'm not a board member Am I .
My OPINION is the board will sell him at 18 million , I said that figure months ago and I'm not far of the mark .
I don't think Ayew will go either. , but everyone's going through the " If's " so I thought I'd give my OPINION too.
Food for though , without the sale of Bony and Allen we would be almost 30 million in the red.

 

Sunderland will not get Ayew, at least not in january, and I doubt they will in the summer either, where he is likely to attract far better teams and offers for his services, as for Borini we should snap him up, he'll suit our system far better than Sunderlands, he would be a solid addition to our squad, and I do not agree that he is championship quality, he's scored in the premier league while coming off the bench, something Edder has failed to do............

 

No there is no goals in that team apart from Siggy from the penalty spot or free kicks. Borini has 9 in 43 where as you are prepared to give them Ayew who has 8 in 22. good move that would be, he is the only player in our side who looks like he could score and we get rid of him for one who cant score in a brothel. No thanks.

The clue as to ability is Sunderland are trying to get rid of him, why might that be then.

 

Top post, tlf.

I'm not sure about Eder, Phil. He's got a good record at International level but in fairness hasn't played too much for us. Can anyone say he's been given a fair crack of the whip here? Not really. But Borini? Nah. Not for me.

As for saying we'd be £30M in the red without the sale of Allen and Bony, that's a facile argument Breezy, and again I'm not sure of the relevance. We'll probably be more than that in the red if we're relegated. We've bought and sold well and hopefully will continue to do so, but if you sell arguably your best player when you're in a relegation fight you're asking for trouble because (1) He may be going to a relegation rival, (2) you probably won't get equal or better in the January window and (3) any replacement will take time to bed in. Time we haven't got.

You can spin the positives on Ayew going as much as you like and you have a point about money and the system but neither would compensate us if the unthinkable happens. Yes, he's THAT important to us. Like most Swans fans I will be absolutely distraught if he goes at all - but particularly to Sunderland.

The one thing we can agree on is that it's unlikely to happen.

 

Borini would play better for us imo (Again , I'm not endorsing this deal )
I'm a things that make facts kinda guy lefty .Ayew is the top goal scorer, but on a team that isn't scoring a lot of goals ....Why ?

 

The relevance is we sell to survive , your getting to be a piece of toilet paper stuck to my shoe Aussiie ...lol

 

Because he is a midfield player playing out of position because our strikers are so bad, yet in a side that isn't scoring many goals he has managed to get 9 not a bad return. Bony only managed 9 by the ends of January albeit in 20 games and we were scoring more last season, so Ayew's return whilst playing out of position for parts and in a team creating very little, his return is the only thing keeping us away from relegation, to get rid of him would be suicide.

 

That's right lefty , we don't have a working striker .
If I'm not mistaken Graham had more goals than Ayew in the same time frame as a striker
Here's the why to the facts for me .
.Gomis in his last 6 games last season and first 4 games this season scored 9 Premier League games in 10 Premier League games ...Why ? ...he was wanting to leave with a lot of money before the summer window shut at the end of August and was playing hard and focused He was set to make 10 million pounds if he went to the Mid East or elsewhere in his guarentee from us and wages from them , or anyone else for that matter .When the window shut , he threw his toys out knowing he was only going to make 2 million with us and Monk didn't recognize it early enough .
Anyone up front is going to score goals , if they are actually trying .Now Ayew is up front , out of position , scoring goals while the team are playing without a striker and goals are way down as a whole and Gomis is pouting on the bench or on the pitch . Monk put a lot of broken eggs in his basket with Gomis and we payed for it imo