Assem Allam on meeting with supporters re name change.

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If you're on about me thinking hard if I'll replace my pass, I don't like the fact it looks like he takes us for fools and seems to have lied to us, I also see it as a very damaging and backward step, and one I don't want to be associated with. There's plenty of other issues I don't like with the modern game. If I wasn't hooked way back when I was, the experience as it is today wouldn't have got me coming back.

In part, yes I was, but mainly to the people starting a new club. It's a ****ing name. As I said yesterday, there's no right and wrong about it, it's a matter of differing opinion. The way some people are reacting to it all would be embarrassing for a 5 year old quite frankly.
 
In part, yes I was, but mainly to the people starting a new club. It's a ****ing name. As I said yesterday, there's no right and wrong about it, it's a matter of differing opinion. The way some people are reacting to it all would be embarrassing for a 5 year old quite frankly.

And some see it as being beyond just the name and don't understand those that can't...such are opinions. <ok>
 
But the campaign is already starting to paint him in a bad light and make out he's some sort of antichrist.

Recent statements are calling him a liar, an oath breaker, stupid, irrational. It's easy for people to read those and start to hate the man.

That's not what the release said, it continues to thank him for what he's done for the club, but expresses disappointment in the fact that he hasn't kept to his word.

And he hasn't.



Decent piece from the BBC...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24905905
 
I'll take your word that those comments were made, but there's a decent argument that each one is valid in the context. IF it ends up being about the man himself, and I hope it doesn't, there's only one person driving it there.

One group - the campaign. There is absolutely no reason for the campaign to attack him at a personal level like they've started to. He may well be each of those things I listed but why encourage fans to dislike him? That statement yesterday was a whole load of nothingness save for a personal attack on his character. No need for it.
 
To anyone who didn't just hear Assem's interview on Humberside, try and get to hear it.

He doesn't even know what the club is registered as with the FA and he speaks about fans with utter contempt.

Disgusting.
 
We remain puzzled that Dr Allam cannot distinguish between the name of his holding company and the football name of the club he owns. Until he registers a new name with the Football Association, the club remains Hull City AFC. His belief that we are already called Hull City Tigers, a name ripe for shortening, is therefore spectacularly ill judged and erroneous.

He's stupid

Our group has already had extensive contact with key figures at the FA, and we anticipate they will take a dim view both of this announcement and of Dr Allam&#8217;s rubbishing of our club&#8217;s proud history at the meeting we had with him last week.

He's irrational

Let us be clear - Dr Allam CANNOT change the football name of the club without approval of the FA, who in turn require consultation with fans of the kind promised by Dr Allam when we met. By claiming we are now called Hull City Tigers, he has announced a new name and gone back on that promise - it took him 10 short days.

He's a liar, an oath breaker, and irrational

We have seen the academic paper that Dr Allam has based his name shortening strategy on. He has apparently only read the first page, we have read all 59. The paper is entirely irrelevant in that it has nothing to do with sports businesses and nothing to do with business success. It is a paper about stock market gaming - apparently stock brokers are more likely to trade shares in companies with shorter names.

He's stupid and irrational

To conclude - we remain eternally grateful to Dr Allam as the saviour of Hull City AFC and the man whose money propelled City to the Premier League.

A load of false arse licking

But we believe a man that breaks FA rules, breaks his own promises within days and rides roughshod over our club&#8217;s proud history should not go unchecked. We remain determined to do everything we can to retain Hull City AFC as our club name. Our campaign continues - indeed with today&#8217;s announcement it is clear that it has only just started.

He's a lying, irrational oathbraking **** and we believe he should be hanged. Get the bayonets out lads, we're going to war


The entire statement is a personal attack.
 
To anyone who didn't just hear Assem's interview on Humberside, try and get to hear it.

He doesn't even know what the club is registered as with the FA and he speaks about fans with utter contempt.

Disgusting.

I've not heard it, but maybe, just maybe, it's because the fans are treating him with contempt? Can't have it both ways.
 
Fez, I've had good chats with the Leeds fans running the campaign against Bates, and I've had dealings with Mr Allam jnr and senior. Taking them head on is playing their game and in my opinion doomed.

In my opinion, the campaign group has it spot on in their reasoned approach. It accepts Mr Allams position, and tackles it from that perspective with dignity and respect. That encourages others that look into it to take the group seriously, people like the FA and Premier League.

What's needed is an exit strategy that keeps Mr Allams dignity and doesn't look like a climb down. My guess is there'd need to be some barb against the council in it too.

I'm not on the group, but in my opinion, and I suspect it's happening anyway, we need to be approaching Councillors and pushing the MP's involved a bit harder for them to step in as mediators.

One things for sure, anyone that looks into it realises doing nothing simply isn't an option.

You/they/we are taking them head-on, we just don’t realise it or give the situation its rightful status. AA plies smoke and mirrors, deceit and dishonesty against our collective supportiveness and integrity. Let’s be clear, we have been taking him on and him us, from the day we discovered the lies. It is not whether or not we are seen to be taking him on; it is how we are taking him on that can make a difference.

The Bates analogy, which has run within some posts, has some credence yet he has moved on and I don’t recall anyone getting one over on him. Years ago I was fortunate enough to play under Peter Osgood (in the twilight of his brief player/manager days) and his frustration with Bates was a mirror image of ours with AA – only a tad more colourful!

I have said he must be taken on at every level and that includes the FA, PL, FSF, MPs, HCC and any other body with a voice of reason. All of the listed can have an opinion on the rights and wrongs of the name-change, some may say it is for the owner to determine, but they should be prodded and poked by their responsibility to others.

The FA and the PL are the only ones that I understand to have some sort of responsibility in this; it is time that the ground-rules for name-change are openly declared and made available to all. It is essential that a time-line is drawn up to record how we and AA have got to this point. The FA and the PL should be asked, very publicly, on how they view the manner of it. It’s a time for accountability and the use of the press to challenge the procedure; not just for our club, but as a reference point for the future of football clubs in this country.

The only exit strategy for AA is the door and the sooner the better. Who, in their right minds, would gift him the club stadium? I would rather stick with the guidance of HCC who will change by selection over the years.


If you're on about me thinking hard if I'll replace my pass, I don't like the fact it looks like he takes us for fools and seems to have lied to us, I also see it as a very damaging and backward step, and one I don't want to be associated with. There's plenty of other issues I don't like with the modern game. If I wasn't hooked way back when I was, the experience as it is today wouldn't have got me coming back.

In this we have a shared view; I will return to amateur football and enjoy the grass-roots of a game I have enjoyed for years, but even that is now a joke and too political (money!) for its own good.
 
Mr Hat.....i thought this was an anti Allam thing..

Reading some peoples posts on here i am more convinced it is.

The whole citytillwedie thing is bollocks in my mind

Same owner..same nickname..same players..same manager...same colours...same team

If i change my surname....im still the same person

Ffs Hull City....Hull Tigers...

Big ****ing deal.

The Allams are the Best thing that ever happened to our club in my time of supporting the team...almost 50 years..

Without the Allams we would have gone bust..
We would have been reborn under a new bloody name as well....and this season we would have been playing Bridlington Town in some ****ty league....i doubt IF we would have had the money to stay in the KC Stadium.

( i would have still supported the team )

Those who dont like it BUY the club ..offer the Allams 60m

I cant remember anyone being able or been bothered enough to save us when the Allams stepped up.

You change the name if you want Mr Allam plenty of us will buy our season passes still.

Not all fans feel the same way as the Anti Allams posters on a couple of internet sites...most fans dont ever use the city on line sites....
 
I think you're right in that protests etc won't make him change his mind, but I do think dignified protest has a place in keeping the issue live, raising the profile and raising awareness of the issues. It's not something that people can grasp with a quick glance.

I agree that the main focus is a more formal objection, but I'd like to think there's a way of angling that to avoid offending Mr Allam.

I think it's worth repeating that the issue is the name change, not the personality pushing for it.

I don't think that you or anyone else has control over the offending of Dr. Allam or not ; that is solely under his control.

I worded my point badly. I accept the protests are important in view of keeping the issue in the public eye, but I was thinking about what will actually accomplish anything.



I think there are three issues that will, unfortunately, mean this all ends badly. Hull people are VERY insular and stubborn. Assem Allam is a VERY successful businessman who has "Getting my own way" tattooed on his chest. We have a divided, fractured and weak organisation heading football in this country (I mean, for Gods sake they - the FA -are currently trying to decide whether or not they can talk to Radio Humberside about the issue!!!)
 
Strov and Fez,

I think we're effectively using different words to say the same thing. In my view, there isn't one root of the problem, this seems to have been initiated by a scan of an article that ignited a thought process that seemed to suit several needs for Mr Allam.

Where I think I differ from fez, is I don't necessarily think it means Mr Allam's position is untenable yet, but it's going to take the wisdom of Solomon to resolve it and keep him happy. Perhaps if a new income stream could be found that negated the name change?
 
But the campaign is already starting to paint him in a bad light and make out he's some sort of antichrist.

Recent statements are calling him a liar, an oath breaker, stupid, irrational. It's easy for people to read those and start to hate the man.

I dont read these and hate the man. I hate the man for what he is doing.

What are your thoughts on Dr Collina?
 

That's actually piss funny, he genuinely thinks that the name is Hull City Tigers AFC and has been since 1904. So in his view it isn't going to change. This makes so much more sense now. The question "surely somebody with your finacial background and nous can turn this club into a success without shortening the name?" was a really good one. He then refused to answer any question about AFC. He then answered a question about AFC.