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Charlie Dogscock said:
That's your opinion about Maxi, as I said I think he works hard, can lift the team, is fearless and takes on players and sets up chances. Comparing Maxi to a player like Guitierrez would be a more meaningful comparison.

Robert is a completely different type of winger, and both players strengths are in completely different areas.
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Charlie Dogscock said:
Ummm yeah they're both wingers who go on runs and take on other players. And they both weren't our main set piece taker.
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Totally useless compared to Robert at one end and totally superior to Robert at the other.

Compared to max Jonas was better that max and everything expect dribbling.
 
Why are we even comparing him with former players, from different eras, who played alongside a totally different quality of other players?

Bottom line is, at the moment, he's the best we have in that position. We've had a poor quality squad for years and at times he's been a standout player in a struggling team.

Right now, he's what we have. If fit he should definitely start. Ideally in a 4-3-3 formation. He's not an 'impact sub' type, so needs to be in the first 11.

We might improve on him next season - if so, that's fine. But between now and yhe end of this season, he'd be in my starting 11.
 
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Charlie Dogscock said:
Not disagreeing, would love to have Jonas in the team right now.

But he's a more meaningful comparison than Robert.
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Jonas was a player that gave everything I really like his attitude.

There's no reason to declare a comparison as more or less meaningful.. A player is either better in more areas or he is not.
 
Obi Wan said:
Why are we even comparing him with former players, from different eras, who played alongside a totally different quality of other players?

Bottom line is, at the moment, he's the best we have in that position. We've had a poor quality squad for years and at times he's been a standout player in a struggling team.

Right now, he's what we have. If fit he should definitely start. Ideally in a 4-3-3 formation. He's not an 'impact sub' type, so needs to be in the first 11.

We might improve on him next season - if so, that's fine. But between now and yhe end of this season, he'd be in my starting 11.
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It's just a discussion.

If we're talking about Max then he's a good dribbler that is rarely fit and loves to pretend he's hurt rather than track back.

I like watching him when he plays, but the day we get 2 or 3 better players I'll not be bothered to see him go.
 
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Mortiana said:
Jonas was a player that gave everything I really like his attitude.

There's no reason to declare a comparison as more or less meaningful.. A player is either better in more areas or he is not.
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No there is - you need to compare like for like, and ASM and Robert excelled in completely different areas.

Ginola was a player who strengths were in similar areas to Robert and Jonas was a player who had similar strengths to ASM.
 
Mortiana said:
Jonas was a player that gave everything I really like his attitude.

There's no reason to declare a comparison as more or less meaningful.. A player is either better in more areas or he is not.
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So, as the original al point of the thread was whether or not he should play (as in now - in the current team - not as a notional comparison with Robert, Ginola, or Jonas), then would you play him?

If not, who would you play ahead of him and what do you think they offer ahead of Maxi?
 
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Charlie Dogscock said:
No there is - you need to compare like for like, and ASM and Robert excelled in completely different areas.

Ginola was a player who strengths were in similar areas to Robert and Jonas was a player who had similar strengths to ASM.
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I'd rather have Robert or Jonas than max because both tick more boxes.
 
Obi Wan said:
So, as the original al point of the thread was whether or not he should play (as in now - in the current team - not as a notional comparison with Robert, Ginola, or Jonas), then would you play him?

If not, who would you play ahead of him and what do you think they offer ahead of Maxi?
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Charlie Dogscock said:
If I was to rank them as how much I like them/which one I would put in the team at their prime, it would be:

1. Jonas
2. Ginola
3. ASM
4. Robert
5. HBA
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Fair enough that's your opinion and you're entitled to it fella

I'll go

1. Ginola
2. Robert
3. Ben Arfa
4. Jonas
5. Max

2 and 3 was difficult for me
 
Be interested to see our best ever XI (PL era onwards) in a modern 433.

What would it be?

Given

Barton Colo Woodgate Bez

Lee Batty Speed

Beardo Shearer Ginola

Subs: Srnicek, Albert, Cabaye, Dyer, Ferdinand, Solano, Robert.
 
Mortiana said:
Max has had almost 3 seasons and he's on about 10 goals and 10 assists that's a poor return


Max is a very good good dribbler, but he's not any good at any other area of the sport.

I can like a player without being in denial about areas they're lacking.

Right now he's been playing terribly and he's better than that
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Yes because the side he was in didn't matter at all in that...

Playing under bruce in a 5-4-1 formation with a relegation threatened side is not the same as playing in the side Robert was in with Shearer, Bellamy etc.

If other players in the squad who did barely anything for the team until recently deserve more of a chance, than so does ASM.

ASM deserves a good run in with an actually decent side.
 
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