Arteta Out Thread.

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remembercolinlee said:
The NLD was on Arteta not the ref imho.

A major tactic was to target son to either nullify hime or to get him to retaliate.

Most refs would have given holding a yellow for the knee in the back of Son earlier on in the game and some would have given both Son and Holding yellows for the handbags on the floor for holdings second foul.

The first booking came from a pull back by hiding...that was at least his 3 foul. The ref had (about 10 mins earlier) given Davies a yellow for a pull back (his first foul) so the ref was consistent.

The second yellow could easily have been a straight red

I saw a compilation of Arsenal bloggers and the AFTV coverage and most gooners agreed the red was right.

The penalty was considered soft (which I get) but the ball was no where near Son when Cedric (?) barged him while he was jumping. If the ball had been there I don't think the penalty would have been given.


Blaming the ref for the second goal is a huge stretch. The original ball in went out for a corner.
Free kicks are often wrongly given ... you scored from one such free kick in a NLD a few years back in 2019 at your place.

I think you are letting Arteta off the hook by saying the ref cost you the game.

If you had defended the corner properly ...ie not leaving kane free a yard out you don't concede.

Not subbing White on after the red arguably cost you the second goal as a central defender would have picked up kane.

Plenty of people on line in real time said Holding was going to get a red after the first yellow so Arteta could have subbed him off for Ben White (admittedly a risk)

The way to have nullified Son would have been to defend deep and pack the midfield and play on the counter. Brighton, Wolves and Southampton all beat us doing that.

Leaving Ben White on the bench showed no foresight. I said to my daughter's and think I posted it on our match thread that he needed minutes cos he was definitely going to play against Newcastle. He looked rusty as **** in that game and MAY not have if he'd played the second half v us.

I know we won't agree but thought I'd bore you shirtless anyhows <laugh>

Enjoy the weekend guys
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We’re never gonna agree on this, so let’s just agree that you’re wrong and move on :)
 
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Everyone is talking like the NLD was decisive but in truth we lost THREE winnable games in the run top to it.

That's where Arteta really ****ed up. The NLD shouldn't have mattered we should have been 6-9pts clear at that stage.
 
TheBear said:
Everyone is talking like the NLD was decisive but in truth we lost THREE winnable games in the run top to it.

That's where Arteta really ****ed up. The NLD shouldn't have mattered we should have been 6-9pts clear at that stage.
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Your last 16 games were : W11 L5.
A good return (if replicated over the season would have got you 78 pts) .

However, for that same period Spurs did W11 D2 L3.
The difference in pts being the difference at the end.

Whatever the coulda/shoulda/woulda claims are about
specific games (and all supporters can do that) , those
two games away in succession against Spurs and the
Toon are where the questions on mental resolve were
ultimately asked (and answered) .
 
The RDBD said:
Your last 16 games were : W11 L5.
A good return (if replicated over the season would have got you 78 pts) .

However, for that same period Spurs did W11 D2 L3.
The difference in pts being the difference at the end.

Whatever the coulda/shoulda/woulda claims are about
specific games (and all supporters can do that) , those
two games away in succession against Spurs and the
Toon are where the questions on mental resolve were
ultimately asked (and answered) .
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It's just a perspective thing. As a Spurs fan you want to believe that the NLD was where Arsenal missed out on Top 4 but in truth we had a run of winnable games which we completely screwed up on.
 
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TheBear said:
It's just a perspective thing. As a Spurs fan you want to believe that the NLD was where Arsenal missed out on Top 4 .
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No, I believe that the Toon game is where you lost it.
And everything else is just coulda/shoulda/woulda (as I explained) .
 
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