An open letter from Ehab...

[City Man]

Here we go again. In the binary world of these two clowns there are two types of City supporters. The ‘proper’ fans who go to every game, and have done for decades. And those who don’t and are subject to constant belittling and “Hull Reds” claptrap. The fact that one of these two individuals makes feeble excuses for never going to games these days makes it all the richer.

Meanwhile, the rest of us support our club how we see fit. You know, like it’s a free country or something.

The restrictive nature of the 'binary world'. Alan ?

You mean there are fans of other clubs who self-identify as Hull City fans or vice versa?

What about transitioning types ?

I think we have plenty of these unfortunately. Now heading towards couch potato status, or reverting to 'Hull FC & northern Top 6' personae.

 

[Trumpton Tiger.]

We took the largest following to Newcastle since Brighton years before when the won promotion to Division 1.
As many as we were getting at home. The usual excuses for not going to home games when we were doing badly, and even in the PL, it is too costly, it is mid week can’t get from work, will late home and have to be up the next morning for work, past the kids bed time they can’t go as they have to be up for school, were forgotten as people paid to travel and forked out twice as much for a ticket as we paid for a home game on top (seem to recall my ticket was £23 and it was a long time before City tickets reached that level to sit behind a goal) and then got home in the early hours.
Similar with Liverpool for a tie beyond us. Not affected by people saving up for Hull Fair or them being skint after Hull Fair, another reason given for poor home game turn outs. And at Villa, despite it being just after Christmas, an excuse for small home crowds.Massive turnout for the Thrilla At The Villa as Fieldhouse described wide eyed fans setting off for a once in a lifetime experience like we were some small, hick town off for a first visit to a big city.Some of us older ones had experienced previous lifetime and younger ones have experienced a few lifetimes since.

I was at all those games Barchulluna so eloquently and correctly describes. All the big away followings came after years, decades and more of nothingness on the field. We sat and watched the game explode as a spectator sport whilst our club got smaller and smaller. Remember going to The Reebok for the first time to see City in a League Cup game and it sickened me. A club the similar size to us ( we got bigger crowds then) and they had a stadium that made us look like a non league outfit. So those big away followings were our first taste of 'the big time' that we had had for a generation. That's why so many turned out. We took more to Villa for that FA Cup 3rd rd game when we were bottom of the Football League ladder then we took there in the Premier League on a Bank Holiday Monday.
Quite simply, like it or not, we are a fickle bunch.

 

[Gone For A Walk]

It was about half our home support...in the month of December when money is tight. An exceptional following but there were plenty of disincentives to attend that night, but if the will is there, people can often find a way.

"I'm not attending any more, the owner is still steadfastly refusing to apologise for some heartless words 5 years ago" would never influence my decision to attend or not.

Funny enough, those stupid words he uttered, and to this day has chosen not to retract, never really bothered me. If that's what you think it is, then you just don't and never will get it. But each to their own; it's easy to me to understand why supporters with decades (of mostly ****e) under their belts refuse to attend. Equally it's easy to understand why some choose to continue attending.

 

[Dave Andersen]

I was at all those games Barchulluna so eloquently and correctly describes. All the big away followings came after years, decades and more of nothingness on the field. We sat and watched the game explode as a spectator sport whilst our club got smaller and smaller. Remember going to The Reebok for the first time to see City in a League Cup game and it sickened me. A club the similar size to us ( we got bigger crowds then) and they had a stadium that made us look like a non league outfit. So those big away followings were our first taste of 'the big time' that we had had for a generation. That's why so many turned out. We took more to Villa for that FA Cup 3rd rd game when we were bottom of the Football League ladder then we took there in the Premier League on a Bank Holiday Monday.
Quite simply, like it or not, we are a fickle bunch.

Mentioned this in a previous post about fickle fans and how the novelty had worn off, l think you have answered many questions here.

 

[City Man]

Funny enough, those stupid words he uttered, and to this day has chosen not to retract, never really bothered me. If that's what you think it is, then you just don't and never will get it. But each to their own; it's easy to me to understand why supporters with decades (of mostly ****e) under their belts refuse to attend. Equally it's easy to understand why some choose to continue attending.

If we have lost 10k off our gates, have the HCST got a membership of a similar number?

Perhaps someone on here could advise what their membership is?

 

[highpeak tiger]

I really don’t see how people are still so absolutely offended by them that they won’t go.

I know

 

[tigerscanada]

With all this bluster, all of a sudden I feel as though I have been deflowered. Apparently, according to some, I'm no longer a proper supporter.

I don't make a significant effort to attend a high proportion of matches City play. All those years my late father used to mail me the Hull Green Sports Mail, collated over a couple of months & packaged & dutifully paid for - obviously wasted money.

Purchasing highly expensive British Sunday papers over here for the last 47 + years in order to study the 2nd, 3rd & 4th (hope I got that right) division league tables to plot my team's progress ( or decline - it was a mixed half century). Still not viewed by some as a true supporter.

Purchasing a season pass on my retirement ( which almost coincided with the opening of the KC stadium), hopefully managing to see my beloved team maybe 2 or 3 times per season at home on annual trips back to see family.

Saturday mornings, in my basement "media centre" (loosely defined), somewhere between 3-6 ex teammates (a couple of ex-pros from back home in Europe) gather to watch 3 or 4 live PL matches AND listen the Burnsy's & Swanny's oft humorous efforts to commentate City live audio broadcasts. We have a few beers ( rather early in the morning given the 5 hour time difference. Everyone of the attendees are now Hull City supporters. Admittedly 4 of them have City as their 2nd team, but they support the Tigers, keenly follow their fortunes, and despite the churning of playing staff, can recognize most of the players names.

I have to admit, I don't seem to possess an adequate reason for my lack of devotion. No excuse it appears.

What the **** have I done wrong to deserve this relegation from supporter to non-league status ?

A bloody stupid argument - as Al Rawdah succinctly explained.

Perhaps my Canadian citizenship papers should describe me as a "Fickle Football Fan".

 

[Fez]

I have read many, but not all of the posts on here, so apologies if I appear to be missing or restating the obvious.

I totally agree with, Chazz. What reasons remain to not get there and support your team?
As Al says, there will be many reasons.
I fail to see one that can any longer be attributed to the Allam mongrels. It has taken time, but our club is just about recognisable as Hull City again. Some further tweaking on concessions, some real honesty on supporter engagement and less bullshit generally.
Why anyone feels nonplussed because the gobshites don't attend home games is beyond me. ****'em, look to the manager and his team.
Get back, if you can, to making the match an event, a social occasion and not another bloody statistic in football's love/hate relationship with the money men.

 

[highpeak tiger]

I fail to see one that can any longer be attributed to the Allam mongrels.

Really?

 

[highpeak tiger]

Why anyone feels nonplussed because the gobshites don't attend home games is beyond me. ****'em,

Many thanks

 

[GerryHatrick]

With all this bluster, all of a sudden I feel as though I have been deflowered. Apparently, according to some, I'm no longer a proper supporter.

I don't make a significant effort to attend a high proportion of matches City play. All those years my late father used to mail me the Hull Green Sports Mail, collated over a couple of months & packaged & dutifully paid for - obviously wasted money.

Purchasing highly expensive British Sunday papers over here for the last 47 + years in order to study the 2nd, 3rd & 4th (hope I got that right) division league tables to plot my team's progress ( or decline - it was a mixed half century). Still not viewed by some as a true supporter.

Purchasing a season pass on my retirement ( which almost coincided with the opening of the KC stadium), hopefully managing to see my beloved team maybe 2 or 3 times per season at home on annual trips back to see family.

Saturday mornings, in my basement "media centre" (loosely defined), somewhere between 3-6 ex teammates (a couple of ex-pros from back home in Europe) gather to watch 3 or 4 live PL matches AND listen the Burnsy's & Swanny's oft humorous efforts to commentate City live audio broadcasts. We have a few beers ( rather early in the morning given the 5 hour time difference. Everyone of the attendees are now Hull City supporters. Admittedly 4 of them have City as their 2nd team, but they support the Tigers, keenly follow their fortunes, and despite the churning of playing staff, can recognize most of the players names.

I have to admit, I don't seem to possess an adequate reason for my lack of devotion. No excuse it appears.

What the **** have I done wrong to deserve this relegation from supporter to non-league status ?

A bloody stupid argument - as Al Rawdah succinctly explained.

Perhaps my Canadian citizenship papers should describe me as a "Fickle Football Fan".

You must be a Hull (Ontario) Red. According to some on here anyroad.

 

[tigerscanada]

You must be a Hull (Ontario) Red. According to some on here anyroad.

Slight miscalculation there GH.

Hull is in Quebec, just the other side of the Gatineau River from Ottawa (which is in Ontario).

Nice area just outside Hull - particularly near (would you believe) St. Pierre de Wakefield ! My wife (French Canadian) came from Ottawa, so visited both sides of the river many times. Lots of lakes etc.

In a small place just outside of Hull on the Quebec side was a brilliant music venue - Chaudiere Club - allegedly owned by Bikers, and sundry others with excellent connections in the music business. Saw the Everly Bros, Del Shannon, Bobby Vee, and many others in their twilight years at that venue.
Biggest bar I've ever seen in my life.

On that side of the river, you'd be wise to support "The Reds" - Montreal Canadians ice hockey team - as opposed to "The Blues" from Ontario - The Toronto Maple Leafs. A rivalry akin to Celtic/Rangers etc etc.

 

[Chillo]

do you know what I hate more than the allams?
the type of city fan like city man who thinks being a city fan is purely an attendance register and the less marks the lesser a person you are
there was a bloke who went missing on so many late 70's away trips leaving us younger lads to fend for ourselves and I dearly hope after all this fervent posting it wasn't you city man.

principles morals scruples

 

[tigerpete]

Slight miscalculation there GH.

Hull is in Quebec, just the other side of the Gatineau River from Ottawa (which is in Ontario).

Nice area just outside Hull - particularly near (would you believe) St. Pierre de Wakefield ! My wife (French Canadian) came from Ottawa, so visited both sides of the river many times. Lots of lakes etc.

In a small place just outside of Hull on the Quebec side was a brilliant music venue - Chaudiere Club - allegedly owned by Bikers, and sundry others with excellent connections in the music business. Saw the Everly Bros, Del Shannon, Bobby Vee, and many others in their twilight years at that venue.
Biggest bar I've ever seen in my life.

On that side of the river, you'd be wise to support "The Reds" - Montreal Canadians ice hockey team - as opposed to "The Blues" from Ontario - The Toronto Maple Leafs. A rivalry akin to Celtic/Rangers etc etc.

Some would say the old rivalry of the Montreal Canadiens and the Quebec Nordiques was a lot bigger!!

 

[Chillo]

I have read many, but not all of the posts on here, so apologies if I appear to be missing or restating the obvious.

I totally agree with, Chazz. What reasons remain to not get there and support your team?
As Al says, there will be many reasons.
I fail to see one that can any longer be attributed to the Allam mongrels. It has taken time, but our club is just about recognisable as Hull City again. Some further tweaking on concessions, some real honesty on supporter engagement and less bullshit generally.
Why anyone feels nonplussed because the gobshites don't attend home games is beyond me. ****'em, look to the manager and his team.
Get back, if you can, to making the match an event, a social occasion and not another bloody statistic in football's love/hate relationship with the money men.

hahahah gobshite

coming on all aggressive yet I doubt when it game to aggression at football games you werent within a mile

but on a forum its acceptable to be a big hard man

70% of crowds in the 70's/80/s went there for the volatile electric atmosphere at games
the sterile atmosphere at present day games offers nothing in the adrenalin fear excitement stakes and hasn't for the last decade and a half at city

unlike the ssn couch potato experience on a Saturday afternoon

the football experience today is garbage In comparison to how it was when a lot of us non attendees started going
the owners are probably the final nail

drunken analogy (so its not fair if you pull it to pieces without necking a bottle of alcopops)

ww1
I am an English soldier not prepared at the sound of the whistle to do my bit for my country
so shoot me

I want to live to fight another day

right owners right enemy/(opposing team) I would be first in the line of fire

innit ace being pissed lol

 

[Edelman]

do you know what I hate more than the allams?
the type of city fan like city man who thinks being a city fan is purely an attendance register and the less marks the lesser a person you are
there was a bloke who went missing on so many late 70's away trips leaving us younger lads to fend for ourselves and I dearly hope after all this fervent posting it wasn't you city man.

principles morals scruples

City Man is just a devisive man with nothing better to do than attack fellow City fans !
That's a great way to encourage fellow fans isn't it ?
He is a gigantic bore .

 

[tigerscanada]

Some would say the old rivalry of the Montreal Canadiens and the Quebec Nordiques was a lot bigger!!

I'm sure it eventually became that way, but The Habs (Canadiens) and the Maple Leafs were original members of the NHL (inaugurated in the '42-'43 season), along with the Bruins, Red Wings NY Rangers and Black Hawks became the "Original Six". The rivalry started then. It was a very healthy rivalry.

The Nordiques first became a member of the WHA (World Hockey Association major pro league in it's first year of existence (originally housed in San Francisco as the SF Sharks, but moved & renamed to the Quebec Nordiques before the inaugural season even started. That was '72.

The league existed until '79 - it had many operational problems, and extremely serious financial problems.

I personally loved to watch both the Quebec Nordiques and the San Diego Mariners - two exceedingly exciting teams, containing some fantastically gifted French Canadian players Nordiques had Marc Tardif, San Diego had Andre Lacroix.. Toronto Toros, also in the franchise, had Marc Napier.

Probably the best ever pro ice hockey player in history, Wayne Gretsky, started his fledgling career in the subordinate WHA league

The league essentially folded, and a number of teams( 4 from the original 12) merged with the NHL in '79.

So, any rivalry between "Les Habitants " and "Les Nordiques" started 37 years after the Toronto/Montreal dynasties began their jousting.

As a footnote: I used to be a fanatical hockey fan. Over the years I've been here in Canada, the quality has been diluted considerably as a result of franchise expansion. Haven't watched a game for close to 20 years. Very sad.

Edit: Nordiques relocated to Colorado (Denver) in '95, so the rivalry with the Habs is even shorter than I've indicated. !

 

[Edelman]

I'm sure it eventually became that way, but The Habs (Canadiens) and the Maple Leafs were original members of the NHL (inaugurated in the '42-'43 season), along with the Bruins, Red Wings NY Rangers and Black Hawks became the "Original Six". The rivalry started then. It was a very healthy rivalry.

The Nordiques first became a member of the WHA (World Hockey Association major pro league in it's first year of existence (originally housed in San Francisco as the SF Sharks, but moved & renamed to the Quebec Nordiques before the inaugural season even started. That was '72.

The league existed until '79 - it had many operational problems, and extremely serious financial problems.

I personally loved to watch both the Quebec Nordiques and the San Diego Mariners - two exceedingly exciting teams, containing some fantastically gifted French Canadian players Nordiques had Marc Tardif, San Diego had Andre Lacroix.. Toronto Toros, also in the franchise, had Marc Napier.

Probably the best ever pro ice hockey player in history, Wayne Gretsky, started his fledgling career in the subordinate WHA league

The league essentially folded, and a number of teams( 4 from the original 12) merged with the NHL in '79.

So, any rivalry between "Les Habitants " and "Les Nordiques" started 30 years after the Toronto/Montreal dynasties began their jousting.

As a footnote: I used to be a fanatical hockey fan. Over the years I've been here in Canada, the quality has been diluted considerably as a result of franchise expansion. Haven't watched a game for close to 20 years. Very sad.

You traitor !
Toronto Bruin

 

[tigerpete]

I'm sure it eventually became that way, but The Habs (Canadiens) and the Maple Leafs were original members of the NHL (inaugurated in the '42-'43 season), along with the Bruins, Red Wings NY Rangers and Black Hawks became the "Original Six". The rivalry started then. It was a very healthy rivalry.

The Nordiques first became a member of the WHA (World Hockey Association major pro league in it's first year of existence (originally housed in San Francisco as the SF Sharks, but moved & renamed to the Quebec Nordiques before the inaugural season even started. That was '72.

The league existed until '79 - it had many operational problems, and extremely serious financial problems.

I personally loved to watch both the Quebec Nordiques and the San Diego Mariners - two exceedingly exciting teams, containing some fantastically gifted French Canadian players Nordiques had Marc Tardif, San Diego had Andre Lacroix.. Toronto Toros, also in the franchise, had Marc Napier.

Probably the best ever pro ice hockey player in history, Wayne Gretsky, started his fledgling career in the subordinate WHA league

The league essentially folded, and a number of teams( 4 from the original 12) merged with the NHL in '79.

So, any rivalry between "Les Habitants " and "Les Nordiques" started 30 years after the Toronto/Montreal dynasties began their jousting.

As a footnote: I used to be a fanatical hockey fan. Over the years I've been here in Canada, the quality has been diluted considerably as a result of franchise expansion. Haven't watched a game for close to 20 years. Very sad.

I dont mind watching it now and again. It is quite strange how the franchises work, i think i remember somebody telling me they moved Quebec to Denver or somewhere. They showed me the battle of Quebec ice hockey game where they were constantly fighting.

 

[tigerscanada]

You traitor !
Toronto Bruin

Hardly red - but I am colour blind !

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