Alvarez training alone

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I think we're all in agreement he's been put in a **** situation. Really feel for the lad.

Anyway, I thought he was injured and needed an operation on his knee so how can he train? Does that mean he's fit for the new season or what?
 
GiaccTheLad said:
I think we're all in agreement he's been put in a **** situation. Really feel for the lad.

Anyway, I thought he was injured and needed an operation on his knee so how can he train? Does that mean he's fit for the new season or what?
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My understanding is he is fit to train but needs the op to fully clear the injury without recurrence.

Purely reading between the lines on this.
 
Billy Cattermole said:
I find this all rather obscure.
Why are they treating this lad like ****e?
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Who knows mate, but for me somebody at the club needs to be accountable.

We end up with a £5.5million player with bags of talent with his head up his arse cos the club has treat him like dog ****, then we need to know who made that call.

And they need to be told to **** right off.
 
He won't be allowed to train with the squad incase he gets injured .Then we really would be in the shyte.
 
Teessidemakem said:
Sunderland star Ricky Alvarez has posted on social media that he’s had to resort to training on his own because of the issues surrounding his future at the club. The Premier League side are refusing to make this transfer permanent despite Inter Milan saying Sunderland have an obligation to do so.

Yesterday the Argentine posted on his Instagram account with him in his running gear far away from his Sunderland teammates. The player commented on his solo training by saying he was working on his pre-season fitness whilst waiting for news on his future with the club. There is doubt about if the midfielder has a future at the club after Sunderland denied they had an agreement of a mandatory redemption which could now be solved by FIFA.

“Working hard while waiting news about my future,” said the Sunderland star on his social media account.

We covered reports in May that Sunderland must buy the midfielder outright after they avoided relegation to the Championship last season. Inter Milan have stated a clause was written into the agreement made in the last summer transfer window that if the North East side remained in the Premier League they would have to buy Alvarez for a figure between €8m to €10.5m.

Sunderland aren’t too keen to make his move a permanent one for this transfer fee after his injury problems during the last campaign, and are therefore denying that such a clause was written into the deal. It is looking likely this will result in FIFA sorting out this mess, and Inter Milan are ready show football’s governing body evidence of the agreement made.
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Poor bastard
 
Not really sure why people are badmouthing the club so much about this... This is an incredibly delicate legal situation and the club will want to avoid any action which would weaken their position. At this point it looks like it could go to court and the tiniest details will be analyzed and re-analyzed. You can't seriously think having him train with us doesn't indicate some level of responsibility?

The club's hands are tied here unfortunately. I'm sure we will have apologised to Ricky and explained the situation. Yes it's ****ty for him but he's a professional, I'm sure he understands the fragility of the situation.

I do agree, however, that it should never have come to this in the first place. Whoever drew up that contract wants a serious talking to...
 
This is one of those legal situations.
Sunderland's position is that since the end of last season, Alvarez is not a Sunderland player. He is not covered by any professional liability insurance, he is not subject to any regulations or management by Sunderland.
If they let him train with the squad, this could be seen as an admission that he is wanted and that the club are only looking for a price reduction. Plus if any injury occurs or he aggravates his current problem, Sunderland could be liable with no cover and no support from the FA or UEFA.

Of course if his parent club (Inter Milan) give him permission to train with Sunderland that's ok. But they won't because their position is that he isn't an Inter Player to give permission to. So they are happy (at least their lawyers) to leave him in limbo.

So Sunderland take a risk and extend an invitation to an unattached football pro to use their facilities in a private capacity. They have done this before has have other clubs. Some sort of gesture in any case. No information or indication if Inter have extended the same invitation...

Maybe (to paraphrase) "Alvarez in Weird-land" , but when you mix anything with big business and contracts, common-courtesy and -sense are often early casualties.
 
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The legal situation which the court case is to determine the meaning of will all be regarding retrospective actions taken by the clubs (prior to the point when Milan think you were liable to buy the player). I don't see why him training with either club would have any bearing on the outcome, indeed it is often the case that it does well with courts and judges to be seen to have acted reasonable so doing as someone suggested and contacting FIFA (and Inter Milan for that matter) to say he was going to train with Sunderland but that it was for the benefit of the player (and the right thing to do) could be a positive.

The main issue I would guess is that if he was injured with yourselves and then the ruling goes for you (and he is an Inter Milan player) then they could try and sue for damages (as you would have lowered the value of their asset). Some correspondence between the clubs should be able to sort that out though as the risk of him getting injured has to be weighed against his value depreciating due to not being fit for the season anyway...

Also, can anyone think of any other occasion of this happening? Not wanting to poke fun but it is utterly farcical "well we don't want him", it's like the custody battle in Adrian Mole.
 
Which ever way it turns out it is another poor reflection on our club. We seem to have quite a history for landing ourselves in it, its amazing when you think of all the practice we have had in this particular field.
 
Roma are reportedly keeping tabs on Ricky Alvarez’s situation – potentially offering an escape route from Sunderland’s legal problems with Inter Milan.Last season’s loanee Alvarez remains in limbo, as Sunderland and Inter face a FIFA arbitration case to decide where the Argentine international will play his football.

Sunderland were duty-bound to sign Alvarez in a £7.5million deal if they remained in the Premier League last season, but the Black Cats are arguing that Inter breached the loan contract due to their hesitation in approving knee surgery for the 27-year-old.

Inter have begun formal proceedings with FIFA, who will decide the matter.

However, speculation in Italy today has suggested that Inter’s Serie A peers Roma have made an informal enquiry about Alvarez’s availability, in a move that would suit all parties.

Roma’s interest is only at an early stage though and the likelihood is that the case will continue to go before FIFA.

They could decide that Sunderland have to go ahead with the transfer, or at a discounted rate than the figure agreed last summer.
 
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