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[Chazz Rheinhold]

This thread has gone absolutely nuts.

Just to confirm. The trust hasn't had a meeting with Allam have they? In the last weeks?

 

[Evington]

This thread has gone absolutely nuts.

I blame Happy

 

[AlRawdah]

I don't feel awkward at all. The OSC has moved on, just in the exact same way that HCST has. Why some posters on here fail to accept that is beyond awkward, it is actually quite sad really.

I understand you are an advocate of the fans being united and getting on. Your tirade against Balkan felt a bit awkward in that context.

 

[The Omega Man]

I understand you are an advocate of the fans being united and getting on. Your tirade against Balkan felt a bit awkward in that context.

If you read my op, I explained the reason for my post.
I will tell you exactly what frustrates me. Instead of putting forward some ideas and solutions, some posters want to promote division.
If the OSC was involved and wanted some response from supporters, we would have used social media and our web site. It’s a cheap dig at me and at the OSC coming from posters who no matter how many times it gets said, do not want to acknowledge changes have taken place.

There is a real problem looming on the horizon. Reinstating concessions. Anyone who thinks that it will be easy, will find that it could lead to more division amongst the support.

Headlines:
Supporters groups advocate price rises and more seat moves.

So come on AlRawdah, put forward a reasonable way of reintroducing concessions that does not mean that adults between 16 and 65 pay significantly more and there are no forced seat moves. Because I cannot think of anything, hence the op.

 

[originallambrettaman]

It’s a cheap dig at me and at the OSC coming from posters who no matter how many times it gets said, do not want to acknowledge changes have taken place.

Your problem is, that the OSC won't openly criticise anything the club does, they'll go along with the Hall of Fame bollocks, they'll go along with this new consultation bollocks and while that's the case, I'm afraid you're always going to get grief for a large section of supporters.

 

[PLT]

Just to confirm. The trust hasn't had a meeting with Allam have they? In the last weeks?

Of course not.

And we haven't had any contact following Friday's statement either.

 

[PLT]

Your problem is, that the OSC won't openly criticise anything the club does, they'll go along with the Hall of Fame bollocks, they'll go along with this new consultation bollocks and while that's the case, I'm afraid you're always going to get grief for a large section of supporters.

The weird thing is they haven't even really got any grief on this thread. Balkan just asked a question and a couple of people went into full attack mode on him for some reason.

 

[The Omega Man]

Your problem is, that the OSC won't openly criticise anything the club does, they'll go along with the Hall of Fame bollocks, they'll go along with this new consultation bollocks and while that's the case, I'm afraid you're always going to get grief for a large section of supporters.

The problem is OLM that the OSC only has the mandate to support the club. You know that I know that and all supporters know that. You know how wrong the east stand move was but you advocated the move. My post has nothing to do with the OSC as I pointed out, we would not be just asking here would we. It was and is a personal post.

 

[originallambrettaman]

The problem is OLM that the OSC only has the mandate to support the club. You know that I know that and all supporters know that. You know how wrong the east stand move was but you advocated the move. My post has nothing to do with the OSC as I pointed out, we would not be just asking here would we. It was and is a personal post.

He says while making a personal dig.

 

[balkan tiger]

The problem is OLM that the OSC only has the mandate to support the club. You know that I know that and all supporters know that. You know how wrong the east stand move was but you advocated the move. My post has nothing to do with the OSC as I pointed out, we would not be just asking here would we. It was and is a personal post.

Now you've moved on from me and started on OLM. Many thought moving the kop from the East to the North would be a good thing, Unfortunately the club handled it very badly and used the opportunity to get the protesters either of screen or out completely. Going on past experiences it may be best just to tell the club to **** off with their consultations and keep out of it.

 

[The Omega Man]

He says while making a personal dig.

Well it was not intended as a personal dig.

I might not agree with you on somethings OLM but you have put the time in to represent supporters. My point was more that moving seats is a very difficult issue to get right and for some the move was wrong and for others they saw a chance to have support behind the goal. Should we ignore that?

I do not represent supporters, I do not have and never have had meetings with the club. I am involved in the OSC and whilst others on the board attend consultation, all other groups are as far as I am aware invited and have the same level of involvement.

 

[John Ex Aberdeen now E.R.]

I maybe wrong and have had the wrong perception, but right from day one back in the late fifties early sixties, I was always under the impression that when joining the OSC you were in a loose way joining the club. Therefore always expected the OSC to be towing the party line so to speak.

That is still by perception, and why I have never joined over the years, as I never wanted to feel that I might be part of something that certain thing I was against. It may well be possible that member are against many things the club did, and to be by default seen to be part of an organisation that had to go with things they maybe against never appealed to me.

 

[Newland Tiger]

The problem is OLM that the OSC only has the mandate to support the club. You know that I know that and all supporters know that. You know how wrong the east stand move was but you advocated the move. My post has nothing to do with the OSC as I pointed out, we would not be just asking here would we. It was and is a personal post.

The East Stand move ? I thought you said we should move on and you are talking about the East Stand move ?

 

[AlRawdah]

If you read my op, I explained the reason for my post.
I will tell you exactly what frustrates me. Instead of putting forward some ideas and solutions, some posters want to promote division.
If the OSC was involved and wanted some response from supporters, we would have used social media and our web site. It’s a cheap dig at me and at the OSC coming from posters who no matter how many times it gets said, do not want to acknowledge changes have taken place.

There is a real problem looming on the horizon. Reinstating concessions. Anyone who thinks that it will be easy, will find that it could lead to more division amongst the support.

Headlines:
Supporters groups advocate price rises and more seat moves.

So come on AlRawdah, put forward a reasonable way of reintroducing concessions that does not mean that adults between 16 and 65 pay significantly more and there are no forced seat moves. Because I cannot think of anything, hence the op.

I didn’t, and don’t want to, comment on the OP. Other than to say the club’s announcement on concessions is, in my view, finely tuned to wind up and divide City’s support base further. That perhaps gives a guide as to whether I think supporters groups should get involved.

 

[The Omega Man]

That reads like someone from the club who hasn't a ****ing clue asking for help.

I maybe wrong and have had the wrong perception, but right from day one back in the late fifties early sixties, I was always under the impression that when joining the OSC you were in a loose way joining the club. Therefore always expected the OSC to be towing the party line so to speak.

That is still by perception, and why I have never joined over the years, as I never wanted to feel that I might be part of something that certain thing I was against. It may well be possible that member are against many things the club did, and to be by default seen to be part of an organisation that had to go with things they maybe against never appealed to me.

I fully understand and support that view. John.

Let me put this to you. At an away match, we went to another clubs "Supporter club" bar, that is on matchdays actually located in another football clubs ground. This was the clubs recognised supporters group, it provides away travel to the games and is supported by the football club. That is what the OSC is doing, simply that, providing a supporters club, we have a bar and put on events. That may change as time goes on, but whilst indepenent supporters groups can freely protest rom worki and withdraw from contact with the club, the OSC does not have a mandate to. Its constitution only mentions support.

The East Stand move ? I thought you said we should move on and you are talking about the East Stand move ?

From the OP

Personally, I think that changes need to be made, but how will supporters view another seat move?

Two things have been said to me by mates, in recent days, hence the questions.
What do we think new owners would do with the membership scheme and how would supporters react to paying more, so that others get concessions?

The easy answer will be just do it, but I cannot see an easy answer myself. I am not saying we should stick with what we have, but I really have not seen anyone put forward alternatives.

Maybe, just maybe, the collective knowledge and experience on here, could put together alternatives that are viable and even if they do not appeal to the current owners, they may appeal to new ones.

The move from the East Stand to the North and moves that have taken place after that, have led to problems and posters on this board have the knowledge and experience that could make any new move work better.

 

[Lincoln Tiger]

I maybe wrong and have had the wrong perception, but right from day one back in the late fifties early sixties, I was always under the impression that when joining the OSC you were in a loose way joining the club. Therefore always expected the OSC to be towing the party line so to speak.

That is still by perception, and why I have never joined over the years, as I never wanted to feel that I might be part of something that certain thing I was against. It may well be possible that member are against many things the club did, and to be by default seen to be part of an organisation that had to go with things they maybe against never appealed to me.

Hi John, I hope TOM doesn't mind my jumping in here, but I fairly recently joined the OSC and I am working with the OSC team and Tigers Trust to help develop their media operation. If they were a patsy for the management of the club I would have gone nowhere near this, but they are not. What they are trying to do is create some opportunities for the fans - especially the younger fans e.g to meet up, to meet players, ex players etc, in order to help build and maintain activities for the fan base/community regardless of the ownership of the club. They cannot do this without some dialogue with the club - whoever is in charge - this is pragmatism not hegemony. That dialogue is professional and undertaken with the aim of creating those opportunities. Nothing is ever perfect but they are a small team working hard to create something good over these next few months, and I will avoid embarrassing TOM and the others, but what they are trying to do, and they way they steer a neutral path is actually quite tricky but commendable. Also, through my work I am also dealing with Lincoln City and it has been an big eye opener. They are so easy to deal with and a warm welcoming and inclusive club, so there is no need for an OSC as such. In this sense, and in my view, the Hull City OSC is doing good things despite all the problems.

 

[The Omega Man]

Hi John, I hope TOM doesn't mind my jumping in here, but I fairly recently joined the OSC and I am working with the OSC team and Tigers Trust to help develop their media operation. If they were a patsy for the management of the club I would have gone nowhere near this, but they are not. What they are trying to do is create some opportunities for the fans - especially the younger fans e.g to meet up, to meet players, ex players etc, in order to help build and maintain activities for the fan base/community regardless of the ownership of the club. They cannot do this without some dialogue with the club - whoever is in charge - this is pragmatism not hegemony. That dialogue is professional and undertaken with the aim of creating those opportunities. Nothing is ever perfect but they are a small team working hard to create something good over these next few months, and I will avoid embarrassing TOM and the others, but what they are trying to do, and they way they steer a neutral path is actually quite tricky but commendable. Also, through my work I am also dealing with Lincoln City and it has been an big eye opener. They are so easy to deal with and a warm welcoming and inclusive club, so there is no need for an OSC as such. In this sense, and in my view, the Hull City OSC is doing good things despite all the problems.

Thanks, Lincoln. I know you had real reservations about becoming involved in any way and I was pleased that you came and saw for yourself.

 

[John Ex Aberdeen now E.R.]

Hi John, I hope TOM doesn't mind my jumping in here, but I fairly recently joined the OSC and I am working with the OSC team and Tigers Trust to help develop their media operation. If they were a patsy for the management of the club I would have gone nowhere near this, but they are not. What they are trying to do is create some opportunities for the fans - especially the younger fans e.g to meet up, to meet players, ex players etc, in order to help build and maintain activities for the fan base/community regardless of the ownership of the club. They cannot do this without some dialogue with the club - whoever is in charge - this is pragmatism not hegemony. That dialogue is professional and undertaken with the aim of creating those opportunities. Nothing is ever perfect but they are a small team working hard to create something good over these next few months, and I will avoid embarrassing TOM and the others, but what they are trying to do, and they way they steer a neutral path is actually quite tricky but commendable. Also, through my work I am also dealing with Lincoln City and it has been an big eye opener. They are so easy to deal with and a warm welcoming and inclusive club, so there is no need for an OSC as such. In this sense, and in my view, the Hull City OSC is doing good things despite all the problems.

I appreciate your insight into what is going on, maybe there is a wind of change there, or maybe just in the past OSC have not advertised themselves well to the broader fan base.

Would be interesting to know if the OSC membership was larger during the Adam Person reign compared to today, as the feel good facture about the club during Adam's time was infinitely better than the last few years?

 

[Lincoln Tiger]

I appreciate your insight into what is going on, maybe there is a wind of change there, or maybe just in the past OSC have not advertised themselves well to the broader fan base.

Would be interesting to know if the OSC membership was larger during the Adam Person reign compared to today, as the feel good facture about the club during Adam's time was infinitely better than the last few years?

I can't answer the second question, but I can at least attempt to answer the first one. TOM will probably not like all of my response. They are a voluntary team, with other professional lives, and with only a little expertise in using media to best communicate what they are about and what they are trying to do. They have done pretty well as far as I can see despite this. There is certainly a big 'wind of change' and TOM and the others have actively sought to make that change. Indeed this process has already started, and will take a little time to be fully up and out there, but you will see some of the fruits of this work very soon indeed.

 

[The Omega Man]

I appreciate your insight into what is going on, maybe there is a wind of change there, or maybe just in the past OSC have not advertised themselves well to the broader fan base.

Would be interesting to know if the OSC membership was larger during the Adam Person reign compared to today, as the feel good facture about the club during Adam's time was infinitely better than the last few years?

John there is no doubt that the OSC membership has declined over the past few years, it probably peaked when we were first promoted to the PL, but I have no figures to back that up.

As Lincoln Tiger as said, there is a sea change taking place. Finding people with not just the skill sets but the time to give is difficult. I get quitely excited about the future of the OSC, if we can continue the development, we could have an OSC that every Hull City supporter will be proud to be a member of and as an objective, most will agree, that that will take a fair bit of doing. Made harder no doubt by the fact that as OLM pinted out, I can be a ****ing daft fat **** at times.