All hail Steve Bruce - the best manager we've ever had

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originallambrettaman said:
I'm well aware of when it's from, I was responding to the dipshits "when we were relegated no one looked twice at him" comment.
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What does it prove scooter ? <doh>

It is media speculation about Hernandez. He is still here, end of. Other reports say Hull were willing to accept half of what they paid for him.

You really are a know all gobshite aren't you. Thank **** in only have to read what you say on here and don't have to work with you. :emoticon-0102-bigsm
 
The One Tiger said:
What does it prove scooter ? <doh>

It is media speculation about Hernandez. He is still here, end of. Other reports say Hull were willing to accept half of what they paid for him.

You really are a know all gobshite aren't you. Thank **** in only have to read what you say on here and don't have to work with you. :emoticon-0102-bigsm
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No chance of that, I don't employ stupid people.
 
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steverico said:
I was angry and upset on Friday when I heard about Bruce leaving, today I've reflected and think that Bruce has left us in the ****, none of us know what has gone on in meeting with Ehab, everything commented Is pure speculation and guesswork.

So I will add my speculation, did Allam engineer Bruce leaving without compo, to save the new owners, ( if there really are any in waiting) sacking him with a big pay off?

The signings supposedly lined up by Bruce were let's face it very underwhelming, two brothers who no one had heard of and a Welsh ex Reading player who scored a good goal in the Euros. Maybe the new owners put a negative block of these, which helped push Bruce to the exit door.

On to Bruce himself, I like him, he's a great bloke, however, he's never moved to Hull, preferring to drive 130 odd miles each way every day, I've always thought that he's not committed enough to buy a house and move here.

As a football manager, every championship owner would have him, and they would be right, but as a Premier League Manager he's not very good, we fell out of the league last time, because of his insistence of trying to defend, look at the FA Cup final, we lost because he tried to defend a 2-0 lead, that was ****e.

He should have gone after relegation, but old man Allam likes him so he stayed, yes we got promoted, but we should have easily won the league, there were too many awful games where Bruce didn't even commit to try and win them, Preston, Rotherham, Bolton all away. The Boro game was a shocker, we spent the last 20 mins trying to hold on for the draw and lost, terrible management.

Then there's Europe, he threw it away because we had a game against Stoke, we got a point, cheers Steve, then there's Derby, the 1st leg was like watching someone else's team it was stunning, the home game was appalling, he was clueless how to stop them charging forward and scoring, I've never seen a game like it.

A lot has been said about his signings most of them have been great, more not so, all managers sign duffers, but the loan signing of Hatem Ben Arfur and his insistence of playing him behind the forwards, then berating him for not tracking back and tackling was incredulous to me, that was total **** from Bruce and that was the time I wished him gone.

The anger of his leaving has gone, good luck to him, hopefully new owners will take over and the Allams will be a bad memory, we get a good new manager and stay up, but looking back I'm not sorry he's gone now.

Sorry for rambling on
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About sums it up for me, I don't think he is our greatest ever manager either Bruce. Browny saved us from relegation then got us promoted with the likes of Wayne Brown in defence and I reckon Peter Taylor would have got us up too if he hadn't made a daft decision to leave, I never spent every week wondering what the hell Taylor was doing with the tactics and team selection.
 
The only thing I disagree with Steve there is I'm not sure he wanted to leave us in the ****, I don't think he had any choice but he probably has been manipulated
 
BOJACKHCAFCMAN said:
About sums it up for me, I don't think he is our greatest ever manager either Bruce. Browny saved us from relegation then got us promoted with the likes of Wayne Brown in defence and I reckon Peter Taylor would have got us up too if he hadn't made a daft decision to leave, I never spent every week wondering what the hell Taylor was doing with the tactics and team selection.
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Are we talking about the same Peter Taylor that the usual muppets on here ridiculed cos he always brought everyone back for corners and signed Junior Lewis? He wasn't rated by plenty.
And Phil Brown? The same Phil Brown ridiculed on here and elsewhere by the usual muppets for his speech, his clothes, his team talks, his reliance on Sam Allardyce?
What **** supporters we have.
Experts raised on a diet of Terry Dolan and Martin Fish .
 
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City Man said:
Are we talking about the same Peter Taylor that the usual muppets on here ridiculed cos he always brought everyone back for corners and signed Junior Lewis? He wasn't rated by plenty.
And Phil Brown? The same Phil Brown ridiculed on here and elsewhere by the usual muppets for his speech, his clothes, his team talks, his reliance on Sam Allardyce?
What **** supporters we have.
Experts raised on a diet of Terry Dolan and Martin Fish .
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Did I hear experts mentioned? There's a surprise coming from you. Bruce inherited a lot of money and built on the good work of Barmby and Pearson, Taylor and Brownie built the club up from scratch. Bruce had the most success as a manager but he wasn't the best manager we have had. Not by a long shot and I'm sure a lot of old timers on here will remember better managers before my time which started in the early 80's too. Remember Bruce didn't actually win anything.
 
Another point I'd like to make about Bruce is on the coaching side, we have great young players like Robertson and have they really improved that much under Bruce or not, I'd argue not as Robertson is as bad defensively as he was when he got in the team and Maguire was dropped for Dawson as soon as humanly possibly despite making us look a real team playing out from the back.
 
BOJACKHCAFCMAN said:
About sums it up for me, I don't think he is our greatest ever manager either Bruce. Browny saved us from relegation then got us promoted with the likes of Wayne Brown in defence and I reckon Peter Taylor would have got us up too if he hadn't made a daft decision to leave, I never spent every week wondering what the hell Taylor was doing with the tactics and team selection.
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Best ever FA Cup Run
Best ever League Cup Run
Highest PL finish (while on said FA Cup Run)
Two promotions (one during said League Cup Run)
Only HCAFC manager to gain automatic promotion to the PL

Hard to argue that he was the best, think he's top 10 for most games managed for us too.
 
SydneyTiger14 said:
Best ever FA Cup Run
Best ever League Cup Run
Highest PL finish (while on said FA Cup Run)
Two promotions (one during said League Cup Run)
Only HCAFC manager to gain automatic promotion to the PL

Hard to argue that he was the best, think he's top 10 for most games managed for us too.
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Like I said he had the best achievements, in my view he is not the best manager we have had, which is what I said to Armchair City Man
 
BOJACKHCAFCMAN said:
Like I said he had the best achievements, in my view he is not the best manager we have had, which is what I said to Armchair City Man
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Fair enough. I think Brown was shown up in a lot of areas off the pitch, particularly in the transfer market. As touched on yesterday, Bruce has actually had far more hits than misses on the permanent transfer front.
 
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SydneyTiger14 said:
Fair enough. I think Brown was shown up in a lot of areas off the pitch, particularly in the transfer market. As touched on yesterday, Bruce has actually had far more hits than misses on the permanent transfer front.
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There's pros and cons to every manager we have had, you could start a whole new thread on it .For me Bruce has been terrible tactically for the last few years and we got away with one last season. Some of us suspected things weren't right last season so that means the promotion was a much better achievement than it looked but most of the season he was more or less admitting he couldn't put a finger on why the team was misfiring all the time which is not encouraging for a so called top coach. I said before he would have kept us up this season given the owners support and there's no doubt at all his achievements are the best of any City manager. I just think after 3 days it's time to give actual opinions and not be hypocritical and pretend to be a head in the sand type who thinks Bruce is the best manager since Bill Shankley
 
BOJACKHCAFCMAN said:
There's pros and cons to every manager we have had, you could start a whole new thread on it .For me Bruce has been terrible tactically for the last few years and we got away with one last season. Some of us suspected things weren't right last season so that means the promotion was a much better achievement than it looked but most of the season he was more or less admitting he couldn't put a finger on why the team was misfiring all the time which is not encouraging for a so called top coach. I said before he would have kept us up this season given the owners support and there's no doubt at all his achievements are the best of any City manager. I just think after 3 days it's time to give actual opinions and not be hypocritical and pretend to be a head in the sand type who thinks Bruce is the best manager since Bill Shankley
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To be honest I think the side has been misfiring for two seasons now because of the unrest in the stands. He can't exactly come out and say that's the reason though can he?
 
Sterling Archer said:
The thing about that word is that it's objective. 'Successful' would be a better measure of ranking managers in terms of effectiveness. 'Best' is just down to opinion.
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Everything is subjective when it comes to opinion, mines no better than yours and so on. There is no real way to decide something like this. I think building something from scratch or without a lot of funds successfully is a better measure of a manager, you could give a lot of managers the same cash Bruce has had and I reckon they would have done the same or even better with the money. Others will say well we got to a Cup final and we had a great day out and so on so that why Bruce is the greatest. I think if Bruce wanted to save the club he could have stayed on and worked until the current owners clear out, or until they sacked him like they did Barmby. The fans would know he had no money to spend. Maybe then he could be classed the greatest in my eyes.
 
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BOJACKHCAFCMAN said:
Everything is subjective when it comes to opinion, mines no better than yours and so on. There is no real way to decide something like this. I think building something from scratch or without a lot of funds successfully is a better measure of a manager, you could give a lot of managers the same cash Bruce has had and I reckon they would have done the same or even better with the money. Others will say well we got to a Cup final and we had a great day out and so on so that why Bruce is the greatest. I think if Bruce wanted to save the club he could have stayed on and worked until the current owners clear out, or until they sacked him like they did Barmby. The fans would know he had no money to spend. Maybe then he could be classed the greatest in my eyes.
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So Terry Dolan is our best ever manager.
 
BOJACKHCAFCMAN said:
Another point I'd like to make about Bruce is on the coaching side, we have great young players like Robertson and have they really improved that much under Bruce or not, I'd argue not as Robertson is as bad defensively as he was when he got in the team and Maguire was dropped for Dawson as soon as humanly possibly despite making us look a real team playing out from the back.
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So when Bruce (and his team) identify great young talent and sign it, they're still ****s because the signings haven't improved sufficiently?

****in priceless.
 
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