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Tobes said:
Haha so you're saying you were forced to kill IBWT, ok mate <laugh>
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yup... and you might have been behind it.

Tobes

you lurked along and maybe valley picked you on that. you've not really offered anything today even just to tell me to calm the **** down.

you've not claim to be the one role that could contradict valley either

only someone calming to be the psychic can stop this now. I think.
 
Swarbs said:
This is the only thing that bothers me.

I can believe Valley is psychic and saw Tobes and MITO, and that MITO investigated Sir Tennisball. In general, the information presented on the thread is usually accurate, so unless the Mafia have some secret ability to interfere with information, like hacking the paper, we have to assume that Tobes is dodgy, MITO killed someone and Sir Tennisball is probably Mafia.

MITO's story about being forced to kill by the Mafia is more suspicious, as it is in response to being fingered himself, but ultimately still plausible if that is the Mafia's hidden power.

The big question is why our two most powerful remaining town roles have revealed themselves to the Mafia and cartel. If they are telling the truth, it's almost certain now that one of them will die or be recruited.
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Valley should've made clear that it didn't mean Mito was mafia in his original post. Unless he couldn't? But whatever reasons he had that meant Mito went into defensive mode and reveal himself to save himself.
 
moreinjuredthanowen said:
only someone calming to be the psychic can stop this now. I think.
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Perhaps, but then would the real psychic come forward?

There is always a risk that Valley is some sacrificial lamb who has been pressured or had info fed to them by the Mafia, or is even a member of the Mafia, and is trying to draw the real psychic out to be killed.

That's the big risk - if we lose the psychic then we are basically blind and relying on the luck of the drunk's investigation's. It could be a nasty Mafia trick - we lynch Tobes tonight, you tomorrow, then if you both turn up innocent by the time we get round to Valley the Mafia have killed a load of innocents and maybe activated more powers.
 
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We need to lynch the person that will tell us the most.

Lynch me & when innocent mito will say "oh i told you it was a 2/3 chance", so no idea if mito is lying.

Lynch tobes and we'll see if Valley is lying or not. I doubt he's lying as he was under no pressure to give out that info. Unless mafia can influence him somehow...

Lynch mito and we'll know if he's lying. He was under huge pressure so could be scrambling. I still want to know how he claims to have investigated 2 people. Also wary how he is covering himself for when i'm proven a vanilla townie. But i am wary in case he is telling the truth somehow...
 
ValleyGraduate12 said:
I think we need to stick Gerrez and Tobes in a two way tomorrow lads.
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If you read my posts I'm looking at possibilities and asked you to prove you want compromised. But yeah, guilty as **** for such a action <laugh>

I've also clearly said that it's possible everyone bar tobes could be telling the truth so the stories can be linked together.

As mito said, investigate if you must but with the amount of info that's been dishes out tonight there are more pressing issues than targeting me because mistaken taken my comments as a attack on you <doh>
 
Lucaaas said:
Even if he isn't, you let everyone think that and made him come out which means 2 of our detectives are out in the open now (if you're both telling the truth).
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It had to be done.

Losing ibwt was bad but losing us both to cartel or mafia means it had to be good info.

valley had really juicy info. he did the right thing to come out. he thought he had tobes and me which is too good not to kill.

I got sir tennis so I was happy to come out too.

we have two bad guys for you if everyone is being truthful.

If valley is lying then fine.. its a great dodge to pull out a person... I might be duped yet again. I don't know but what i do know is only the mafia could have chosen to have me kill IBWT. that means rather than simply kill me off you now konw who i am in the game and what i found out.

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our BEST case is tobes is the cartel boss and we will greatly simplify the game killing him.

Our next best is both tennis and tobes are mafia and we in effect end their chances of winning

Our next best is tobes is guilt and i am wrong.

Our worst case is you lynch valley or me tomorrow. (think on the rules... maybe the mafia can't kill tomorrow) if you kill tobes and no cartel recruit comes out both of us can come back with more investigations. if the cartel is not knocked off then its more difficult for you.
 
Less Hope Than Neville said:
Ok, something isn't adding up here. My scooby senses are making me suspicious of both MITO and Valley now. But that makes no sense as Valley is fingering MITO (dirty bugger).

My biggest concern with MITO is that he comes out and sacrifices himself and then suggests we lynch/kill everyone except him. I'm not saying he's wrong, but it raises massive question marks in my head. We've lost the doc and the detective today. If MITO or Valley are leading us up the garden path we could take out 3 more of our own with no wins.

Even if you are a townie MITO you have to see that looks dodgy. We have to be suspicious of everyone named and also everyone who has come forward now. There is something very convenient yet also with a bit of evil genius in your explanation. It's possible, but your keenness that we take out everyone except you does set off a few alarm bells if I am honest.
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yes.. but what i am saying is 24 hour grace. if not then PLEASE lynch tobes and then the meth head shoudl kill me.

The best case for town is we can get one more investigate out.

If you kill me kill me.

my one point is SO FAR nobody is coming out and denying our roles. if nobody does then you will know for sure. if you think i'm cuaght and lying fine.

I know i'm giving the town my best info now and best help.
 
Sir Tennisball said:
We need to lynch the person that will tell us the most.

Lynch me & when innocent mito will say "oh i told you it was a 2/3 chance", so no idea if mito is lying.

Lynch tobes and we'll see if Valley is lying or not. I doubt he's lying as he was under no pressure to give out that info. Unless mafia can influence him somehow...

Lynch mito and we'll know if he's lying. He was under huge pressure so could be scrambling. I still want to know how he claims to have investigated 2 people. Also wary how he is covering himself for when i'm proven a vanilla townie. But i am wary in case he is telling the truth somehow...
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Mito also questions how Valley had done two investigations before claiming two investigations himself :huh:
 
moreinjuredthanowen said:
no lets investigate him...

If nobody contradicts your role you have a duty to clean kill tobes.
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I do think Gerrez would be a good one to investigate tomorrow. I'm not sure I'm following the line of argument with Valley at the min. However, its not a big enough niggle to think we should kill Gerrez.

We need to focus on the ones who have been named. The problem is we can't trust any of them. I know I'm going around in circles and contradicting myself but my mind is ****ed. I have thought of a plan though.

We put Valley, Tobes, MITO and Tennisball in a 4 way split. Anyone spoiling the split would be exposed (especially if a single townie was killed). If it goes wrong we only lose one more. We can't afford to risk losing both remaining detectives. However, we also can't afford to blindly believe them when there stories (especially MITO's) need further investigation. If we lose one detective on a coin toss it is a setback but not a disaster. If we lose them both it is a disaster. If we lose more townies without taking at least one mafia with them its a disaster with our detectives exposed to recruitment. They only have one kill left so can't take out both detectives.

So I say leave these four to the coin toss and then based on the innocent/guilty result we will have some real hard evidence for the following night, but we will only have lost one max (and maybe none).

The killers should go after the quiet ones. its the safest and most sensible option. For a start they are not helping, even if they are townies. There is a real chance the cartel is a silent player. Silent players can wake up and that would be devastating if we had killed off 2 or 3 of our own and left the cartel.

What do you all think?
 
Less Hope Than Neville said:
I do think Gerrez would be a good one to investigate tomorrow. I'm not sure I'm following the line of argument with Valley at the min. However, its not a big enough niggle to think we should kill Gerrez.

We need to focus on the ones who have been named. The problem is we can't trust any of them. I know I'm going around in circles and contradicting myself but my mind is ****ed. I have thought of a plan though.

We put Valley, Tobes, MITO and Tennisball in a 4 way split. Anyone spoiling the split would be exposed (especially if a single townie was killed). If it goes wrong we only lose one more. We can't afford to risk losing both remaining detectives. However, we also can't afford to blindly believe them when there stories (especially MITO's) need further investigation. If we lose one detective on a coin toss it is a setback but not a disaster. If we lose them both it is a disaster. If we lose more townies without taking at least one mafia with them its a disaster with our detectives exposed to recruitment. They only have one kill left so can't take out both detectives.

So I say leave these four to the coin toss and then based on the innocent/guilty result we will have some real hard evidence for the following night, but we will only have lost one max (and maybe none).

The killers should go after the quiet ones. its the safest and most sensible option. For a start they are not helping, even if they are townies. There is a real chance the cartel is a silent player. Silent players can wake up and that would be devastating if we had killed off 2 or 3 of our own and left the cartel.

What do you all think?
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Put our only 2 people with power (who's identities haven't been disputed yet) in a 50/50 coin toss? Sounds like a great idea.
 
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Less Hope Than Neville said:
I do think Gerrez would be a good one to investigate tomorrow. I'm not sure I'm following the line of argument with Valley at the min. However, its not a big enough niggle to think we should kill Gerrez.

We need to focus on the ones who have been named. The problem is we can't trust any of them. I know I'm going around in circles and contradicting myself but my mind is ****ed. I have thought of a plan though.

We put Valley, Tobes, MITO and Tennisball in a 4 way split. Anyone spoiling the split would be exposed (especially if a single townie was killed). If it goes wrong we only lose one more. We can't afford to risk losing both remaining detectives. However, we also can't afford to blindly believe them when there stories (especially MITO's) need further investigation. If we lose one detective on a coin toss it is a setback but not a disaster. If we lose them both it is a disaster. If we lose more townies without taking at least one mafia with them its a disaster with our detectives exposed to recruitment. They only have one kill left so can't take out both detectives.

So I say leave these four to the coin toss and then based on the innocent/guilty result we will have some real hard evidence for the following night, but we will only have lost one max (and maybe none).

The killers should go after the quiet ones. its the safest and most sensible option. For a start they are not helping, even if they are townies. There is a real chance the cartel is a silent player. Silent players can wake up and that would be devastating if we had killed off 2 or 3 of our own and left the cartel.

What do you all think?
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I'd go with that! <ok>
 
Gerrez said:
Mito also questions how Valley had done two investigations before claiming two investigations himself :huh:
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I dind't claim two investigations!

I wrote out the whole tale of woe.

Valley is showing two bits of info.

I am showing that I got one investigation and another message saying i killed ibwt as i was forced to

again where is the other town drunk?

I have claimed i am town drunk. thats the thing... by next lunch time you lot might agree.

in the end I'm hoping tobes is guilty and dies by lynch. theres a chance he will be the cartel boss.

If i have to die by the meth head please do so.

And please... don't reveal your roles killers but please. the Schizo has random power after nomination. don't target me.... lets have the meth head take me. Can he kill me on night two or after?
 
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The artist Billy Can can said:
Great work town <doh> Out of 20 people you get the detective and the doctor first night <laugh> And you all tell afc he's bad <doh> if he'd been town this would have turned out much better

[HASHTAG]#worsttownever[/HASHTAG]
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not only that but we managed let the mafia also peg the tow other investigators <laugh>

At least i pulled in some info. i just wish it was 100% sure.

you should have been on to defend as it you were you'd not have been in 3 way.
 
Lucaaas said:
Put our only 2 people with power (who's identities haven't been disputed yet) in a 50/50 coin toss? Sounds like a great idea.
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No that's not what I said. That would be crazy. We put all of them - Valley, Mito, Tobes, Tennis in a 25/25/25/25 split. Unless I'm mising something we don't know that we can trust anybody's info at the minute. Our two detectives are contradicting each other to an extent - even if it is through duress. What I am saying is that we can't randomly kill everyone of them without more proof. If we lose one but it proves others guilty then (as MITO has said) it is worth it. However, this way we have a chance of losing none. Randomly telling our killers to aim at them all is madness to me. However, I'll go with the majority. I do think we need to be very careful though.We have a big numerical advantage still, but that could disappear very fast if we start killing active players based on hunches - especially if the cartel is still out there.
 
Less Hope Than Neville said:
I do think Gerrez would be a good one to investigate tomorrow. I'm not sure I'm following the line of argument with Valley at the min. However, its not a big enough niggle to think we should kill Gerrez.

We need to focus on the ones who have been named. The problem is we can't trust any of them. I know I'm going around in circles and contradicting myself but my mind is ****ed. I have thought of a plan though.

We put Valley, Tobes, MITO and Tennisball in a 4 way split. Anyone spoiling the split would be exposed (especially if a single townie was killed). If it goes wrong we only lose one more. We can't afford to risk losing both remaining detectives. However, we also can't afford to blindly believe them when there stories (especially MITO's) need further investigation. If we lose one detective on a coin toss it is a setback but not a disaster. If we lose them both it is a disaster. If we lose more townies without taking at least one mafia with them its a disaster with our detectives exposed to recruitment. They only have one kill left so can't take out both detectives.

So I say leave these four to the coin toss and then based on the innocent/guilty result we will have some real hard evidence for the following night, but we will only have lost one max (and maybe none).

The killers should go after the quiet ones. its the safest and most sensible option. For a start they are not helping, even if they are townies. There is a real chance the cartel is a silent player. Silent players can wake up and that would be devastating if we had killed off 2 or 3 of our own and left the cartel.

What do you all think?
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this is the worst possible plan.. osrry. and obi has decided to mess about so i rekcon that proves it.

why?

if you you see nobody some out and deny our roles... what does it tell you.

If you simply kill tobes only. at least you killed the guy that should be 100% guilty if nobody denies valley's role.

If you put valley in you are nuts as you can get more info out of him next night.

look again NON town.. there is mafia or cartel lead and the cartel lead must die ASAP.

looking for another mafia changing vote is not worth it. you have real info to act on . so act on it. don't kill town roles as you won't believe them

coin tosses are abdication of the call.

finally please don't forget the cartel can recruit so will prob try recruit one of us two. if tobes is their leader at least we get him now. if he is mafia well then one of us could be converted.
 
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