adam pearson

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Just think alot think adam walks on water, yes he did a great job saving us all those years ago, exactly what the allams have done recently, but also has made mistakes, when it came out adebola and simpson earned 20k a week combined that smacks of duffen like madness.

the thing that put me off about him was his quote "im leaving the club in good hands" when sold to bartlett and duffen could this be translated to "ive made a tidy sum thank you im off"

just dont think hes as god like as many make out, an opportunist businessman more like.

i think you're being over the top. the credit crunch had a major effect on all businesses around the world and happened after bartlett had taken over. the credit crunch affected all bartlett's businesses badly. without it he wouldn't have needed to have his companies tied in knots lending to each other.

as for ghilas it may well have been a case of anything being better than nothing in a hurry.

 

[The FRENCH TICKLER]

I do think that Nick Barmby will be the bigger loss.

 

[TygerTyger]

I do think that Nick Barmby will be the bigger loss.

Agreed.

 

[PLT]

AP's departure is still a complete mystery but something has obviously gone on and he and the owners have fallen out. Knowing what they are like at dealing with people who don't agree with them, I'm inclined to think it'll be something really stupid and they had a just old fashioned row about it. His loss will be significant off the pitch but what he has been doing for us over the past few years isn't obvious to everyone. Whether he or Nick will be the bigger loss is hard to say.

 

[Stuart Blampey]

Just think alot think adam walks on water, yes he did a great job saving us all those years ago, exactly what the allams have done recently, but also has made mistakes, when it came out adebola and simpson earned 20k a week combined that smacks of duffen like madness.

the thing that put me off about him was his quote "im leaving the club in good hands" when sold to bartlett and duffen could this be translated to "ive made a tidy sum thank you im off"

just dont think hes as god like as many make out, an opportunist businessman more like.

You're barmy.

Do you live in North Korea by any chance?

 

[The Omega Man]

i think you're being over the top. the credit crunch had a major effect on all businesses around the world and happened after bartlett had taken over. the credit crunch affected all bartlett's businesses badly. without it he wouldn't have needed to have his companies tied in knots lending to each other.

as for ghilas it may well have been a case of anything being better than nothing in a hurry.

Sorry to say but Russell Bartletts property portfolio was not suffering. He had the Home Office as a tenant, they where taking more office space in the 6 months up to July. Every square foot of his portfolio was tenanted.
Why was he interested in Cardiff, West Ham and then Hull? Someone who has a property development business, my my, does the sale of the KC come into anything?

 

[TygerTyger]

AP's departure is still a complete mystery but something has obviously gone on and he and the owners have fallen out. Knowing what they are like at dealing with people who don't agree with them, I'm inclined to think it'll be something really stupid and they had a just old fashioned row about it. His loss will be significant off the pitch but what he has been doing for us over the past few years isn't obvious to everyone. Whether he or Nick will be the bigger loss is hard to say.

What do you know? Pray do tell us. Have they a history of unreasonable sackings?

 

[PLT]

What do you know? Pray do tell us. Have they a history of unreasonable sackings?

Yes, they do

What do I know? Just what we all know about the council, both managers that have worked under the Allams, AP, Maguire and half the club staff who they have made redundant.

 

[TygerTyger]

Yes, they do

What do I know? Just what we all know about the council, both managers that have worked under the Allams, AP, Maguire and half the club staff who they have made redundant.

Yes, but what about any unreasonable sackings?

That's sackings without good reason.

Peter Sutcliffe was probably pissed off about losing his job as a lorry driver, but I don't think you would call it unreasonable.

 

[The FRENCH TICKLER]

Yes, they do

What do I know? Just what we all know about the council, both managers that have worked under the Allams, AP, Maguire and half the club staff who they have made redundant.

To be fair the club staff did need a trim or 2. I have no issue with any employer cutting chaff as liong as they keep the wheat. Maguire also was no real loss,, imo.

 

[The Omega Man]

Assem Allam has had to sack loads of workers in his time, but that is because of his career choice and little to do with his personal taste.

Of all of the business backgrounds his is one of the best suited to owning a football club that has money problems. The modern term for his business method is "Turnaround Management".
When a business is failing the banks call in suitably qualified managers to look at the business, cut costs, refinance and increase profitability. Assem took this a stage further when he aquired the marine generator business. But it is a hard business, the first cost cutting is nearly always in jobs. Workers may have to change the hours they work and the jobs they do. This is normal business practice, something that happens everyday in every town and city in the world. There are no safe places when it comes to a business.
So dont slate the businessmen who get companies back on track, slate the ones who drove the business off the rails in the first place.

 

[PLT]

Yes, but what about any unreasonable sackings?

That's sackings without good reason.

Peter Sutcliffe was probably pissed off about losing his job as a lorry driver, but I don't think you would call it unreasonable.

You're comparing Nick Barmby to Peter Sutcliffe?

 

[TygerTyger]

You're comparing Nick Barmby to Peter Sutcliffe?

No, you just have. I pointed out that not all sackings are unreasonable, even if the person sacked is unhappy. People on here can "Demonise" the Allams without actually comparing them to the Devil. Just a figure of speach.

 

[tigerrev]

Erm.....I don't think the old manager had a fat lot to do with any of those deals.

That wasn't aimed at NB - it was aimed at AP, PD and whoever else was responsible for agreeing to those deals

 

[RicardoHCAFC]

Is it just me that thinks this is as simple as they wanted shot of Barmby for footballing reasons*, but saw the media comments as a way of getting rid without paying compensation as they could run it as breach of contract?

*That's not saying the footballing reasons are correct, just that after being prepared to fund certain players in January (and not others) but being knocked back because he didn't want them the expectation became the playoffs as a minimum, and Barmby failed to deliver that so they decided to replace him.

 

[RicardoHCAFC]

WTF! Adebola was on 9 grand a week? Please tell me you're joking!!

I don't understand why people expected us to be paying an experianced Championship striker a small amount. He was brought in to be one of our 3 main strikers to address a specific lack of physical presence/aerial threat. It was getting on for 10 years later and 2 divisions higher than when we had a stated wage cap of £3k/wk for all new signings in D3.

EDIT: The Simpson deal was more of a gamble, but I'd actually have supported it when we signed him because he had the track record from at QPR and to find a goalscorer at this level with virtually no transfer fee and for about £500k a year would have been an amazing capture for us.

 

[tigerrev]

Is it just me that thinks this is as simple as they wanted shot of Barmby for footballing reasons*, but saw the media comments as a way of getting rid without paying compensation as they could run it as breach of contract?

*That's not saying the footballing reasons are correct, just that after being prepared to fund certain players in January (and not others) but being knocked back because he didn't want them the expectation became the playoffs as a minimum, and Barmby failed to deliver that so they decided to replace him.

I think you're right. I don't think the Allams ever wanted NB to be manager, but AP persuaded them otherwise. I think they wanted Robinson from MKD when NP left + I wouldn't be surprised if they now went for him again (though he wouldn't be my choice)

 

[kccircle]

I doubt they wanted Robinson when Pearson left. Do you really believe that are that naive to not have had a major input into the most important position in the club

 

[tigerrev]

Depends how much finance was part of the thinking. NB was one of the lowest paid managers in the Championship + he didn't complain as he thought it an honour to manage the team. Balance that against the cost of whatever we would have had to pay MKD's to release Robinson (provided he had no get out clause), his salary, any backroom staff he would have insisted on and maybe the Allams baulked at the deal.

 

[Davies Headband]

Have a read of this. Posted by me on behalf of Flying Tiger a while ago.

If you take Barmby out of the equation (as he is a different issue) I think the views on AP are begining to ring true.

The Thread is headed A fresh view on CityGate in case you want to look it up,





Forwarded by Flying Tiger - He's at work and can't post, so here it is verbatim:-

I think, from reports this morning that I’m beginning to get a flavour of what happened.



The Allams did offer to fund a striker for the half season after Jan transfer window but Barmby (and Pearson) didn’t want to “upset the dressing room” (you can read this on Not606 posts – HDM interview with Allams)



Comments:

1. I guess if you had offered to fund a new striker in Jan, then you would be pissed off if someone then turned round and gave you a lecture on the need to bring players in, to boost the squad in the summer.

2. This would be doubled (at least) when you had spent the second half of the season watching your side (and I use the term “your” with full meaning), failing to score and consequently missing the play-off’s. One would feel, with some justification I think, that the manager was only protecting his mate’s interests, and that’s not what a manager is there for.

3. You may feel that this situation would continue over the summer with NB only replacing the players that wanted to (and did) leave. The shape of the side thus being driven by individual players wishes and the vagaries of the transfer market.

4. NB was therefore suspended due to 1 above but it was only the straw that broke the camels back

5. NB is, of course popular in the dressing room – he would be wouldn’t he, if he gave every player his unconditional support, no matter how they performed?

6. AP I have never rated, he is too focused on the money (and remember this comes from an accountant). He has, to my knowledge never been responsible for taking a club up to the Premiership and may have been in post for more relegations than promotions. He may actually not want City in the Premiership as it could affect Hull FCs position at the KC, and may have a serious conflict of interest. The oldest trick in the book is to come in to a place and say “ooh this is even worse that I thought – but don’t worry I’ll sort it out for you – I’m the big hero”. After all what did he do when we went down? He sold as many players as he could and reduced the wage bill – not exactly rocket science is it? And he failed to get rid of JB – something that the Allams did within a few weeks of arriving.

7. In other words AP is expensive (I have no doubt about that), and is actually standing in the way of the club advancing.


8. There’s a lot of talk about the Allams not knowing about football on the chat rooms, and this is, I think a bit unfair. Brain surgery and quantum physics are complicated – football isn’t. You simply appoint a manager with the background and ambition to get to the top league and one who is not best mates with everyone in the dressing room. Football can’t be that complex – there appear to be 37 thousand people on the chat room who know just how to run a football club!



Anyway, rant over. Be interesting to see what the Allams do next. Billy Davis or Mick McCarthy with NB as Assistant Manager till he learns the ropes?

Do you think it was the Allam's or Pearson that sorted his loan deal with Ipswich?