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thefanwithnoname said:
Im not so sure mate. I know money is a factor ultimately for the main guys but the kids seem to be in it for kicks and reps
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Might be a reason to get into it to begin with, as in a 'if I sell food for that guy then no **** will touch me' sort of thing, but the main factor will be the money they're making and in particular at how easily they're making it.

There will of course be some who are like you describe and do it for the lifestyle but I doubt it's the majority.
 
The Liebherr Legacy said:
Well yeah it is if you value your freedom, not sure of your point here, they're obviously going to make less working than dealing (at first at least).

What do you propose?
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I don't think there is one fix it all and you won't reach everyone

However I do think that the policies designed are usually way out if touch. Not every drug dealer in the past was in it for the kicks (I believe the new generation are).

The approach can't be singular, it's multi faceted. So today for example the "accurate picture" is we are done as a manufacturing base and zero hours contracts etc won't help
 
thefanwithnoname said:
How accurate is what we are told or "know"?

Take the example of knife crime and the focus on London and a focus on the black community.

Requests under the freedom of information act by some media sources (eg Guardian) have largely been not forthcoming quickly from the govt. But once available they make for some interesting reading and imo raise some interesting questions.

So we know now that knife crime in places like Norfolk has almost tripled. School kids carrying knives has gone through the roof. But very little media coverage nationally

Another interesting thing in the rise of knife crime (in areas like Norfolk) is the police saying it's not an "accurate picture" in terms of increase but a result of police focussing on it and sbarearching kids more etc. Which raises he question then that if you target a particular community then will it also be an inaccurate picture?
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Thought about this for a while i.e. accuracy. I'd like to take it further, In Thailand we get Indian dubbed in thai soaps which I watch reservedly at one particular bar.
I got to wondering that God in his many names is always portrayed dripping in gold, pearls and precious stones.

Whereas I know this is television but do tthey really think that god/s live in big mansions and it's the gold that makes them elite? God/ Jesu is more often seen portrayed as a man with nothing but love and teaching . Have people become shallow to believe that substance and clothes make a difference?
 
The Liebherr Legacy said:
Might be a reason to get into it to begin with, as in a 'if I sell food for that guy then no **** will touch me' sort of thing, but the main factor will be the money they're making and in particular at how easily they're making it.

There will of course be some who are like you describe and do it for the lifestyle but I doubt it's the majority.
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It is just my opinion, but I think increasingly it's the lifestyle. I think the culture now is one of playing the game
 
thefanwithnoname said:
It is just my opinion, but I think increasingly it's the lifestyle. I think the culture now is one of palying the game
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With young people maybe, say 13-21. Most older than that then it's all about the money I'd say. Growing up in certain deprived areas though I'm sure it's seen as an easy way to go due to peer pressure and keeping safe etc.

A large part of the people that sell light/dark at the street level are young impressionable kids or at least were when they were 'recruited'.
 
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The Liebherr Legacy said:
With young people maybe, say 13-21. Most older than that then it's all about the money I'd say. Growing up in certain deprived areas though I'm sure it's seen as an easy way to go due to peer pressure and keeping safe etc.

A large part of the people that sell light/dark at the street level are young impressionable kids or at least were when they were 'recruited'.
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I'm not so sure. I reckon for the younger ones especially it's more about reputation, peer pressure, trying to be a cool kid. The money bit comes more important the older they get.
 
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The Liebherr Legacy said:
With young people maybe, say 13-21. Most older than that then it's all about the money I'd say. Growing up in certain deprived areas though I'm sure it's seen as an easy way to go due to peer pressure and keeping safe etc.

A large part of the people that sell light/dark at the street level are young impressionable kids or at least were when they were 'recruited'.
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Yeah Id go with that

Which highlights that a one for all approach can't work

As a kid of 16 I would get £10-15 a night working and that was big money. I only did 2 nights

As an adult I was on £30-40 a night doing 5 and it was crap

What it doesn't explain imo is the well off kids. In stoke there are areas of deprivation and kids hustling for a pound here and there and getting I to trouble

But go to areas like trentham and the kids are dealing cocaine and drinking spirits using daddies money but not getting into half the trouble with the law
 
Commachio said:
I could go out, but it's ****ing hoying down and is baltic.

Plus i might get stabbed, it'll it would probably not be by some black or muslim, more likely some ****y little chavvy bastard in a hoodie and puffa jacket.
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That's Sunderland though, like Co. Durham, the invasion back in the 50's never happened, the locals wouldn't let it happen..<ok>
 
Joe.. said:
The immigrant influx, never happened North of Leeds..
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Why would you call it an invasion though?

I'd say immigration has largely been positive for this country, the majority come here to work and make a better lives for themselves.

You'll obviously get criminals as you do with anyone, we've got plenty of ****s of our own too and the increase in knife crime etc. is hardly down to immigration.
 
The Ginger Nigga said:
Thought about this for a while i.e. accuracy. I'd like to take it further, In Thailand we get Indian dubbed in thai soaps which I watch reservedly at one particular bar.
I got to wondering that God in his many names is always portrayed dripping in gold, pearls and precious stones.

Whereas I know this is television but do tthey really think that god/s live in big mansions and it's the gold that makes them elite? God/ Jesu is more often seen portrayed as a man with nothing but love and teaching . Have people become shallow to believe that substance and clothes make a difference?
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People always have to believe in something and pray for something, we stub our toe now we say FFS, 40 years ago they would say Jesus.. For me the way of the west is to move away from religious scriptures of the past, our lives are so not Christian if you get my drift? In the East though, the movement to the Orthodox and Muslims to their 5th Century ideology is getting stronger..<ok>
 
The Liebherr Legacy said:
Why would you call it an invasion though?

I'd say immigration has largely been positive for this country, the majority come here to work and make a better lives for themselves.

You'll obviously get criminals as you do with anyone, we've got plenty of ****s of our own too and the increase in knife crime etc. is hardly down to immigration.
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He probably meant influx..It's only been lately that we have seen the influx, and that is partly down to Durham, Sunderland and Newcastle having massive unis.
 
The Liebherr Legacy said:
Why would you call it an invasion though?

I'd say immigration has largely been positive for this country, the majority come here to work and make a better lives for themselves.

You'll obviously get criminals as you do with anyone, we've got plenty of ****s of our own too and the increase in knife crime etc. is hardly down to immigration.
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I'd call it an invasion by politicians that never grasped the reality after the war. If you are going to bring people into your Country, give them a life they could only dream about, albeit after such a war, then choose wisely. We didn't, we did what was desperate and from that day we have created the malfunctioning Country we have today. Back in the first generation late 60's there were programmes like 'Love Thy Neighbour', Charlie Williams (Black comic) used to crack fun at the whities.. Now, you walk around blind, avoiding contact to strangers in the street, it could be a knife or a racial lawsuit.... reality..
 
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Joe.. said:
I'd call it an invasion by politicians that never grasped the reality after the war. If you are going to bring people into your Country, give them a life they could only dream about, albeit after such a war, then choose wisely. We didn't, we did what was desperate and from that day we have created the malfunctioning Country we have today. Back in the first generation late 60's there were programmes like 'Love Thy Neighbour', Charlie Williams (Black comic) used to crack fun at the whities.. Now, you walk around blind, avoiding contact to strangers in the street, it could be a knife or a racial lawsuit.... reality..
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Apologies mate I misunderstood your post, agree with a lot of what you've put there though <ok>
 
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