Accurate Picture

[thefanwithnoname]

How accurate is what we are told or "know"?

Take the example of knife crime and the focus on London and a focus on the black community.

Requests under the freedom of information act by some media sources (eg Guardian) have largely been not forthcoming quickly from the govt. But once available they make for some interesting reading and imo raise some interesting questions.

So we know now that knife crime in places like Norfolk has almost tripled. School kids carrying knives has gone through the roof. But very little media coverage nationally

Another interesting thing in the rise of knife crime (in areas like Norfolk) is the police saying it's not an "accurate picture" in terms of increase but a result of police focussing on it and searching kids more etc. Which raises he question then that if you target a particular community then will it also be an inaccurate picture?

 

[luvgonzo]

In the modern world people will pick a side or form an opinion and you'll never change it regardless of what evidence you put forward.

We've lost the ability to debate and discuss anything and nobody ever changes their mind.

 

[thefanwithnoname]

In the modern world people will pick a side or form an opinion and you'll never change it regardless of what evidence you put forward.

We've lost the ability to debate and discuss anything and nobody ever changes their mind.

I do agree with this and it seems that any attempt to have an "accurate" conversation leads to cries of "defending the perps".

Genuinely though I wonder how much of say the London focus is because of Khan as mayor?

At a bigger level these conversations were had in America a long time ago (ongoing with little change) where the prisons are still full of ghetto youth as drug dealers but it's the suburbs where you will find the big time dealers

In London the gun issue was massive a while back, yet Nottingham was known as the gun capital of the UK and many didn't know this

 

[Commachio]

Gonna be a ****ing **** night on here tonight.

 

[thefanwithnoname]

Gonna be a ****ing **** night on here tonight.

It's your fault pal. I have had to step in with random threads coz you ain't been doing your job

 

[NSIS]

For me, social media has a lot to answer for.

These kids are allowed to openly brag about their ‘exploits’, display their weapons and make raps ‘dissing’ rival gangs, etc. They deliberately taunt their rivals, which just incites further violence.

Neither Facebook or any other site seems to do **** all about it either.

 

[Commachio]

Think'll i'll go and read that soppy gaming thread. About the only place that politics, knife crime and the fan/dunc show hasn't taken over.

 

[thefanwithnoname]

For me, social media has a lot to answer for.

These kids are allowed to openly brag about their ‘exploits’, display their weapons and make raps ‘dissing’ rival gangs, etc. They deliberately taunt their rivals, which just incites further violence.

Neither Facebook or any other site seems to do **** all about it either.

One of the noticeable things, to me anyway, is that the "culture" of some things has changed.

So for example the motivation isn't money for young drug dealers. It's the "rep".

Recently there was an arret if a 16 year old with some heroine and £1600 cash. It was midday so who knows what he could have earnt in a day

The word thing with that was the kids family are millionaires and he wants for nothing

Which does beg the question, for me, how outdated are the "reasons" given when policies are designed to tackle these things

 

[thefanwithnoname]

Think'll i'll go and read that soppy gaming thread. About the only place that politics, knife crime and the fan/dunc show hasn't taken over.

Stay mate and don't let it go that way.

 

[J๏E..]

How accurate is what we are told or "know"?

Take the example of knife crime and the focus on London and a focus on the black community.

Requests under the freedom of information act by some media sources (eg Guardian) have largely been not forthcoming quickly from the govt. But once available they make for some interesting reading and imo raise some interesting questions.

So we know now that knife crime in places like Norfolk has almost tripled. School kids carrying knives has gone through the roof. But very little media coverage nationally

Another interesting thing in the rise of knife crime (in areas like Norfolk) is the police saying it's not an "accurate picture" in terms of increase but a result of police focussing on it and searching kids more etc. Which raises he question then that if you target a particular community then will it also be an inaccurate picture?

You raise good points here, one which I have highlighted that sort of sums the government up.

As you know, for the last 9 years I have cared for my girl and raised my daughter, we have a lot of local government interaction but I am talking about well paid people with a clipboard ticking the boxes. It was only after my first cancer diagnosis in 2014 that they got more involved, the clipboards were bigger.

I suppose what I am trying to say is, we have this ability in government, to hide facts, tick boxes, quote some figures to make it all look hunky dory and hope nothing comes out of the bag. I grew up in the 60's, I remember the 68 Skinheads coming up to support Chelsea and getting their arses kicked at Roker Park, I remember the late 60's early 70's acid age, there were fights but it was all fists, head butts and kicking. What we have now is a manifestation of gang violence, turf wars, innocent people involved all sort of ignored by a government that is still ticking boxes, ignorant to the reality of this big problem but will still pick their salary up for their holiday abroad, the latest gadgets and their turkey at Christmas. The incompetence and basic reality of our senior politician's right down to councillors is quite scary.. <OK>

 

[Libby]

One of the noticeable things, to me anyway, is that the "culture" of some things has changed.

So for example the motivation isn't money for young drug dealers. It's the "rep".

Recently there was an arret if a 16 year old with some heroine and £1600 cash. It was midday so who knows what he could have earnt in a day

The word thing with that was the kids family are millionaires and he wants for nothing

Which does beg the question, for me, how outdated are the "reasons" given when policies are designed to tackle these things

Probably about a ton, a 16 year old kid with smack would be a runner no more than that.

And money is still the main motivation for a lot of young people.

 

[thefanwithnoname]

Speaking of policies designed to tackle certain issues

About 25 years ago the objective of a nationwide project was to get kids off selling drugs and into work or yts type schemes

So a kid who was making a £100+ a day (and then some) was being told £30 a week was better

This was a national policy

 

[Commachio]

Stay mate and don't let it go that way.

I could go out, but it's ****ing hoying down and is baltic.

Plus i might get stabbed, it'll it would probably not be by some black or muslim, more likely some ****y little chavvy bastard in a hoodie and puffa jacket.

 

[thefanwithnoname]

I could go out, but it's ****ing hoying down and is baltic.

Plus i might get stabbed, it'll it would probably not be by some black or muslim, more likely some ****y little chavvy bastard in a hoodie and puffa jacket.

It's just started coming down buckets here too.

I was going to take a wander out but kid came back with pup and was soaked

 

[Commachio]

Speaking of policies designed to tackle certain issues

About 25 years ago the objective of a nationwide project was to get kids off selling drugs and into work or yts type schemes

So a kid who was making a £100+ a day (and then some) was being told £30 a week was better

This was a national policy

Yts

Now most go to Uni, and don't get their first job till mid 20s.

 

[thefanwithnoname]

Probably about a ton, a 16 year old kid with smack would be a runner no more than that.

And money is still the main motivation for a lot of young people.

Im not so sure mate. I know money is a factor ultimately for the main guys but the kids seem to be in it for kicks and reps

 

[Libby]

Speaking of policies designed to tackle certain issues

About 25 years ago the objective of a nationwide project was to get kids off selling drugs and into work or yts type schemes

So a kid who was making a £100+ a day (and then some) was being told £30 a week was better

This was a national policy

Well yeah it is if you value your freedom, not sure of your point here, they're obviously going to make less working than dealing (at first at least).

What do you propose?

 

[Blueman]

For me, social media has a lot to answer for.

These kids are allowed to openly brag about their ‘exploits’, display their weapons and make raps ‘dissing’ rival gangs, etc. They deliberately taunt their rivals, which just incites further violence.

Neither Facebook or any other site seems to do **** all about it either.

Yep totally agree.

 

[thefanwithnoname]

Yts

Now most go to Uni, and don't get their first job till mid 20s.

Uni is another interesting one

Govts have pushed for more kids to go to uni and these kids do a degree in star wars which leads to nowhere

Yet the demand for bricklayers is huge and colleges are desperate to teach the next generation but can't fill the spaces

 

[Commachio]

Uni is another interesting one

Govts have pushed for more kids to go to uni and these kids do a degree in star wars which leads to nowhere

Yet the demand for bricklayers is huge and colleges are desperate to teach the next generation but can't fill the spaces

Seems less and less are interested in learning the trades.