4.3.3

[askewshair]

https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/football/hull-city-system-mccann-allam-4312638

This is unbelievable. We've accused McCann of being inflexible with his tactics, but it's depressing that Enob is basically stating that the whole club philosophy and recruitment of McCann and players is based on one formation and that we are rigidly sticking to it. I know many on here have had a pop at not having a plan B. I couldn't really go along with that, not prepared to believe that a professional Manager wasn't changing anything and though not obvious, there must have been some subtle changes. It's such a basic thing in any sport, at any level, you adapt to the situation. So even if McCann wanted to, we dont actually have the players to change the system. It saves the opposition having to do any homework.
As the reporter says, if a team is struggling the first thing you do is build from the back. Not in Enob's world.
****ing scary that a formation is predetermined by the owner, who went on record as saying he knows nothing about football (or was that his dad?). I'm really incensed by this.

 

[originallambrettaman]

Though it's quite obviously ridiculous to stick to one formation, particularly when it's self-evidently not working, it's still no excuse for McCann doing things like putting Stewart on for Toral in a game we're losing.

 

[Porthmeor Tiger]

What a load of cock written in this article (not by Phil B himself). To suggest a club is a 4 3 3 is in itself absolutely stupid. It doesn’t allow for the formation of the other team. Playing wingers that high and wide means the middle three are stretched so wide you can pass through the midfield. That is exactly what is happening. On top of that to have a chance of 4 3 3 working at all you need quality full backs to cut out crosses. We don’t have that either. Reading that article I am certain that this club needs a change quick. I can’t believe any manager would accept that this is the only way he is allowed to play. No wonder Bruce and Adkins ****ed off. It is absolute ****e in football terms and there is no wonder we are shipping so many goals. Reading this, for the first time I think we won’t make it this year. I hope I am wrong.

 

[Porthmeor Tiger]

https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/football/hull-city-system-mccann-allam-4312638

This is unbelievable. We've accused McCann of being inflexible with his tactics, but it's depressing that Enob is basically stating that the whole club philosophy and recruitment of McCann and players is based on one formation and that we are rigidly sticking to it. I know many on here have had a pop at not having a plan B. I couldn't really go along with that, not prepared to believe that a professional Manager wasn't changing anything and though not obvious, there must have been some subtle changes. It's such a basic thing in any sport, at any level, you adapt to the situation. So even if McCann wanted to, we dont actually have the players to change the system. It saves the opposition having to do any homework.
As the reporter says, if a team is struggling the first thing you do is build from the back. Not in Enob's world.
****ing scary that a formation is predetermined by the owner, who went on record as saying he knows nothing about football (or was that his dad?). I'm really incensed by this.

You are right in this. It is so ****ing unbelievable I am commenting twice. What hope is there for this club when we have that buffoon and his patsy in charge.

 

[Chazz Rheinhold]

Tho we did actually change it a couple of times. remember when he put De Wijs to sort of left wing back? We equalised I think? Was it Charlton away?

 

[brownbagtiger]

I wonder if in some bizarre way, Enob thinks he's being supportive and is trying to draw criticism away from McGann. As in "don't criticise the manager, he's doing what we've asked and what we've bought players for, he's doing a great job."

It's the only way I can make sense of this - I don't know any other modern club that sticks so rigidly to a system when it gives such poor outcome. Our formation worked, kind of, when we had Kamil and Jared. Fair enough to build a squad round star players, and to have a style/philosophy, but have some flexibility to adapt to other teams and for injuries for crying out loud. Someone needs to point out that "Rigid 4-3-3" as played by Hull City isn't something to aspire to, like tiki-taka, total football or "attack, attack, attack". It's not even hoofball or park the bloody bus. It's ****.

It reminds me of a job I had once where the company majorly restructured, but our department head stuck his head in the sand and insisted that we continued working the same way we always had. Constantly stuck in the cross-fire between the rest of the company and the boss. Morale was through the floor - there were some good people there trying to carry on but utterly undermined by a clueless head of department. I managed a year before giving up and joining the line of people heading out the door. I see more than one parallel at City at the moment.

 

[PLT]

Tho we did actually change it a couple of times. remember when he put De Wijs to sort of left wing back? We equalised I think? Was it Charlton away?

Yeah we've changed a few times. We always used to bring KLP on as an extra striker before he more recently started being used as a winger. It's bollocks that he never changes it during games.

I think McCann's been **** and Ehab's just genetically ****, but I really think this formation thing is being blown out of proportion. Ehab is **** at talking and I don't really think he was trying to say that he insists that the manager uses a 4-3-3 formation every game. I don't think he'd even be able to recognise if we were or not.

 

[Chazz Rheinhold]

Yeah we've changed a few times. We always used to bring KLP on as an extra striker before he more recently started being used as a winger. It's bollocks that he never changes it during games.

I think McCann's been **** and Ehab's just genetically ****, but I really think this formation thing is being blown out of proportion. Ehab is **** at talking and I don't really think he was trying to say that he insists that the manager uses a 4-3-3 formation every game. I don't think he'd even be able to recognise if we were or not.

Blimey you’ve changed

 

[Gone For A Walk]

Yeah we've changed a few times. We always used to bring KLP on as an extra striker before he more recently started being used as a winger. It's bollocks that he never changes it during games.

I think McCann's been **** and Ehab's just genetically ****, but I really think this formation thing is being blown out of proportion. Ehab is **** at talking and I don't really think he was trying to say that he insists that the manager uses a 4-3-3 formation every game. I don't think he'd even be able to recognise if we were or not.

Really?
OK, yes, he might change it later on during games, when, guess what, we are losing yet again. He sticks with the same basic formation for most of every game, irrespective of who we play, who we have available, and most importantly, the fact that we have been dropping like a stone.
It's simply madness.
As PB / HDM wrote ".... 4 3 3, the hill that City will die upon". "McCann continues to encourage his wingers to play high up the pitch but that has placed a strain on City’s midfield and defence. The Tigers, too often, have been open and easily cut open by opponents". https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/football/hull-city-system-mccann-allam-4312638

Ray of hope though for tomorrow .... injuries, plus sounds like maybe giving others a run out, plus hopefully 'on the beach' (or clutching at straws) https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/football/hull-city-millwall-injuries-rowett-4314478

 

[PLT]

Really?
OK, yes, he might change it later on during games, when, guess what, we are losing yet again. He sticks with the same basic formation for most of every game, irrespective of who we play, who we have available, and most importantly, the fact that we have been dropping like a stone.
It's simply madness.
As PB / HDM wrote ".... 4 3 3, the hill that City will die upon". "McCann continues to encourage his wingers to play high up the pitch but that has placed a strain on City’s midfield and defence. The Tigers, too often, have been open and easily cut open by opponents". https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/football/hull-city-system-mccann-allam-4312638

Ray of hope though for tomorrow .... injuries, plus sounds like maybe giving others a run out, plus hopefully 'on the beach' (or clutching at straws) https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/football/hull-city-millwall-injuries-rowett-4314478

There's no denying we start every game 4-3-3, but the reality is that's what most teams do. Very few routinely change their formation. Adkins was always 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1, whatever you want to call it. We got promoted in 2008 playing the same 4-4-2 every week. The more important fact is that was a good team and manager and this is a **** team and manager.

 

[Gone For A Walk]

There's no denying we start every game 4-3-3, but the reality is that's what most teams do. Very few routinely change their formation. Adkins was always 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1, whatever you want to call it. We got promoted in 2008 playing the same 4-4-2 every week. The more important fact is that was a good team and manager and this is a **** team and manager.

A poor team with a **** manager (and assistant) who is making them poorer than they could / should be.

 

[Chazz Rheinhold]

There's no denying we start every game 4-3-3, but the reality is that's what most teams do. Very few routinely change their formation. Adkins was always 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1, whatever you want to call it. We got promoted in 2008 playing the same 4-4-2 every week. The more important fact is that was a good team and manager and this is a **** team and manager.

I disagree it’s a poor team
We have some very good players who aren’t being helped by the system and formation.

 

[pierredelafranchesca]

4-3-3 worked with Bowen and Grosicki, not just in an attacking sense, but in a defensive sense, as teams were sufficiently concerned about our pace and ability on the break that they left people back to look after them when they stayed high up the pitch. Since they've gone, teams do not have anything like the fear factor and are happy to swarm forwards overloading us in midfield and defence. We may have the players to play the attacking 4-3-3 but I don't think those players have the talent to threaten Championship teams consistently.

 

[PLT]

A poor team with a **** manager (and assistant) who is making them poorer than they could / should be.

Completely agree. I just don't think it's as simple as changing the formation and I don't think it's true that that's a normal thing to do.

 

[askewshair]

Completely agree. I just don't think it's as simple as changing the formation and I don't think it's true that that's a normal thing to do.

I had given McCann the benefit of the doubt about his inflexibility prior to reading Enob's comments. In hindsight it is very obvious that the strategy is to be rigid with the 4 3 3.
This formation should become 4 5 1 when we haven't got the ball. That doesn't happen.

 

[TIGERSCAVE]

The ****wit wouldn't know if we were playing 4.3.3. ... 4.5.1.... 4.4.1.1...... 5.4.1..... 5.3.1.1. or whatever combo can be used..not forgetting 4.4.2... he'll be saying it was a game of two chukkas next....

 

[TIGERSCAVE]

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[TIGERSCAVE]

I had given McCann the benefit of the doubt about his inflexibility prior to reading Enob's comments. In hindsight it is very obvious that the strategy is to be rigid with the 4 3 3.
This formation should become 4 5 1 when we haven't got the ball. That doesn't happen.

I can't get McCarnt the benefit of any doubt...

 

[PLT]

I disagree it’s a poor team
We have some very good players who aren’t being helped by the system and formation.

Yeah you're right, we do have some decent players on paper and could certainly be doing better than we are. By poor team I mean as a team on the whole. Whether it's down to coaching, McCann's style of play, the all-round malaise at the club dragging everyone's morale down, or most likely a combination of the lot, we're just not very good at whatever we're trying to do.

 

[John Ex Aberdeen now E.R.]

It seems once Ehab got this notion that we should play 433, he recruited McCann because he plays that formation, so it's clear the boardroom are dictating tactics. So it is questionable whether now McCann feels he has to stick with this formation when privately he knows in football sometimes you have to change to counter what your opponents do.

I guess we will never know which of the above cases it is.