Off Topic 2019 GE

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Who will you support in the 2019 GE

  • Conservatives

  • Labour

  • Brexit Party

  • Lib Dems

  • Greens

  • Independent

  • UKIP

  • I support my legs because my legs support me lol

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DC aka SF said:
If worst comes to worst I'll spoil my ballot paper as a protest vote just to let them know I don't like what any of them stand for - but I'd still be using my right to vote.
For a long time parliament has been working at odds with the will of the people, and it's reflected in a big reduction in connection with the electorate.
In my opinion there are far too many career politicians who have a degree in political studies, and not enough candidates with experience of life, business and a big cross section of society
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In this election there should be a '' I choose to spoil my vote as I have no confidence in the system, or any party or individual'' option on the ballot paper. They should be made to count and announce them
 
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Brainman said:
It was a vote based on gut feeling, together with the jingoism and racism pushed by the S*n and the Mail. There were very few facts on which to base an informed opinion.
Both sides tried to use scare tactics.
Three and a half years down the line we know a lot more about the damage leaving will cause.
We are about to become a second rate power, kow-towing to the USA.
As for being self-serving and undemocratic, well that applies to every political party.
Disenfranchising the 48% is a bit undemocratic isn't it?
It's a sad, sad, world at the moment.
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If we become a second rate power, I believe it will be because we have become a country that is becoming less law abiding, shows less respect for each other. all me me me, thinks over indulgence in booze and drugs and crap food won't be a problem, and is less willing to make any effort about anything whilst expecting it all for nothing. Some wartime attitude , hard work , determination and pulling together and there's no reason why we can't put ''great'' back into Britain
 
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Brainman said:
It was a vote based on gut feeling, together with the jingoism and racism pushed by the S*n and the Mail. There were very few facts on which to base an informed opinion.
Both sides tried to use scare tactics.
Three and a half years down the line we know a lot more about the damage leaving will cause.
We are about to become a second rate power, kow-towing to the USA.
As for being self-serving and undemocratic, well that applies to every political party.
Disenfranchising the 48% is a bit undemocratic isn't it?
It's a sad, sad, world at the moment.
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Or the EU has colonised us, typical as a colony, lots of money has been taken out of the country. Now we want independence and the ruling elite of the EU do not want us to leave and are making it as difficult as possible, being helped by the Uncle Tom's living inside the UK.

I am still going to vote Corbyn as he is marginally better than Bonko
 
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Simple Saffy said:
People died to give us freedoms. That includes the freedom to decide whether we want to vote or not.
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Agreed, but they would, I imagine, also be appalled with those that choose not to vote.

I personally think that not making the effort to vote is an insult to those people who fought so hard for us all to have it. It would not be a surprise either, if those that do not vote turn out to be the ones that complain so bitterly about how things pan out afterwards. If none of the parties sound credible, spoiling the ballot paper is a vote.

Despots gain power because of people’s disinterest, ignorance, or belief that their vote would not make a difference. Without it democracy dies.
 
Brainman said:
It was a vote based on gut feeling, together with the jingoism and racism pushed by the S*n and the Mail. There were very few facts on which to base an informed opinion.
Both sides tried to use scare tactics.
Three and a half years down the line we know a lot more about the damage leaving will cause.
We are about to become a second rate power, kow-towing to the USA.
As for being self-serving and undemocratic, well that applies to every political party.
Disenfranchising the 48% is a bit undemocratic isn't it?
It's a sad, sad, world at the moment.
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I think what you're really saying is that you just can't accept the result and are scrabbling around to find things to blame for people voting as they did.

The 48% weren't disenfranchised, they had a vote - it just didn't produce the result they wanted.

The only people that would be disenfranchised, if the so called Lib 'Dems' get their way, would be the 17,410,742, who voted leave and would then have their votes ignored, by the actions of a relative handful of sandal wearing, lentil munching, delegates voting to revoke Article 50 at their conference.

Democrats?

Don't make me laugh!
 
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Class of 73 said:
Agreed, but they would, I imagine, also be appalled with those that choose not to vote.

I personally think that not making the effort to vote is an insult to those people who fought so hard for us all to have it. It would not be a surprise either, if those that do not vote turn out to be the ones that complain so bitterly about how things pan out afterwards. If none of the parties sound credible, spoiling the ballot paper is a vote.

Despots gain power because of people’s disinterest, ignorance, or belief that their vote would not make a difference. Without it democracy dies.
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usually the case in anything that those who set out to do the least , are the ones who complain most about other people’s efforts.
As I alluded to before , a spoilt paper is only a vote if they’re made to declare the number of them when announcing the results .
 
With the debate about whether it is your duty to vote or not... would a different voting scheme change minds. Eg proportional representation so a vote for say the Greens might end up with more MPs.

From my earlier posts I have mentioned I am a leave voter and labour supporter
I also live in a constituency which is heavily Labour. Atm I will vote labour cos I cannot countenance Bonko.

If there was PR I might vote Green, cos I think climate change is an important issue right now.

As I was writing this somebody rang to ask if I would deliver some Labour Party leaflets
 
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Class of 73 said:
Agreed, but they would, I imagine, also be appalled with those that choose not to vote.

I personally think that not making the effort to vote is an insult to those people who fought so hard for us all to have it. It would not be a surprise either, if those that do not vote turn out to be the ones that complain so bitterly about how things pan out afterwards. If none of the parties sound credible, spoiling the ballot paper is a vote.

Despots gain power because of people’s disinterest, ignorance, or belief that their vote would not make a difference. Without it democracy dies.
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I don't think it's an insult, at all. I don't buy into the 'They died so we could vote' line. They died so we could have our freedoms, mainly. One of them freedoms is that we can choose to be whoever we want in this country. Do you turn out every year for the LGBT march in your hot pants, crop top and lipstick? If you don't, is that not an insult to the men who died so people can have that freedom?
 
Class of 73 said:
Agreed, but they would, I imagine, also be appalled with those that choose not to vote.

I personally think that not making the effort to vote is an insult to those people who fought so hard for us all to have it. It would not be a surprise either, if those that do not vote turn out to be the ones that complain so bitterly about how things pan out afterwards. If none of the parties sound credible, spoiling the ballot paper is a vote.

Despots gain power because of people’s disinterest, ignorance, or belief that their vote would not make a difference. Without it democracy dies.
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True. "All that is needed for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing " - or something like that.
 
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Simple Saffy said:
I don't think it's an insult, at all. I don't buy into the 'They died so we could vote' line. They died so we could have our freedoms, mainly. One of them freedoms is that we can choose to be whoever we want in this country. Do you turn out every year for the LGBT march in your hot pants, crop top and lipstick? If you don't, is that not an insult to the men who died so people can have that freedom?
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Difference is that I don't give a stuff about LGBT
 
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gelders pie said:
usually the case in anything that those who set out to do the least , are the ones who complain most about other people’s efforts.
As I alluded to before , a spoilt paper is only a vote if they’re made to declare the number of them when announcing the results .
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I think that they already do afaik
 
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