See link in my post #13 above, or http://www.camporetro.com/Shop-By-Team/Premier-League/QPR Would recommend the older ones, as they are 100% cotton and much more comfortable than the man made fibres. Not that I have one myself, or any intention of getting one.
I appreciate that some, who are probably just sick of all the bickering among fans, have accepted the kit as it is. I too would probably just accept it, it looks great from the front and if there truly is a law saying that there has to be a plain back, then so be it. This law was alluded to last season when we had our first Nike unveil, when part 1 of the fan moaning about the kit. It was then that Ian taylor said it was due to incoming regulations that the names and numbers must be clear. It was then TF who said that in the first year of being with Nike, we had to chose from the stock catalogue and that was that. But here we are, without hoops again. Those who accept the shirt seem to be all prissy with those who don't like it, saying we should shut up and just support the club? But my problem is that we do seem to be being lied to. There is no rule saying there must be a blank back, looking at teams such as Southampton and Sunderland's new kits, that much is clear, which also defeats the other argument that it was a premier league rule and the kit was designed for us in the Prem. Other teams in the championship have also released non solid back kits for this season, in keeping with their traditional identity. I've heard some say it really doesn't matter, but it does. Having worked for many years in design and specifically corporate branding, I can tell you it is important to keep our identity, there is a reason we are known as the hoops. I know if you go back far enough, we didn't play in hoops, but for as long as most of us can remember we have. It is very important that a company, or as in this case club, have a very clear and structured idea on it's identity and ethos for itself, as we've seen the club is in a mess, this now seems to be highlighted by the confused kits and what seems to be lies being told to us as to why the new kits are like this. Logo's, crests, logotypes were all developed so a company/team is easily identifiable, to stand out among the rest. It should stand for what the company is about. We don't seem to know anymore. I'm not saying that the shirt should be changed, although it really shouldn't have come to this in the first place, but I do want to hear some answers as to why it is the way it is, that's all. But on the face of it, someone has decided that this is how it should be, but who decided it would be a good idea. Because it's clearly out of touch with our true identity and it has clearly divided fans, again, at a time when the club should be falling over backwards to please the fans. I do appreciate that some are ok with it, but looking at the numbers I'd say you're in the minority. Accept the back change today, fine, but who's to say in a few years they change the front as well? So if you're happy with it, then just say so. But please don't get on the backs of those who don't, you may find that there is a bigger problem going on that you thought.
Good post..... The only thing is I'm not so sure that the media team have told any lies as such, more a case of them being told something about the plain back of shirts and they have simply followed it through without question. I would have thought that at the time of the design they would have sought out the opinion of their counterparts at say Saints, Stoke, Palace to get a sense of what they were planning for the coming season and gone along with them to ensure that the Premier League couldn't just ride roughshod on this issue. Must admit the corporate branding is a good point and our brand is full hoops not horizontal strips. It would appear that the club may have dropped an almighty ball this season with the plain back, maybe they can get it right for the 16/17 season once they realise the level of opposition to what has been produced this year. Firstly though the club also need to get it right on the pitch......
I'm not pointing the finger at Ian Taylor, he is the only thing that the club has got right in the last 10 years. But I do feel he's being used more as a spin doctor. A lot of people were saying there's a rule, I was one of them based on the number of people saying it, but here are FIFA's regs for kits, I don't see anything about solid backs, it just says a plain patch can be used so that numbers are clear. http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/tournament/competition/51/54/30/equipment_reg_26032010_en.pdf
Here's a link to something posted on LFW.......seems we have complied with proposed PL rules that were never brought in...... http://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/footba...-an-email-from-the-premier-league-re-kits./#9
Caring about the club is one thing. Throwing toys out the pram over the kit is another. It's what happens on the pitch that I'm interested in, not whether the hoops go all the way round or not. Maybe you would like to comment on the complete change of identity that Southampton and Cardiff suffered, compared to your moaning about the triviality of incomplete hoops, or is that too logical to support your argument? eh?
Here's what the Premier League Rulebook says on the matter and the only piece that I can find that QPR could've been guided by ... M.7. When playing in League Matches each Player shall wear a shirt on the back of which shall be prominently displayed his shirt number so as to be clearly visible in accordance with guidelines laid down by the Board from time to time, and above that his surname or such other name as may be approved in writing by the Board. http://m.premierleague.com/content/...handbooks/premier-league-handbook-2014-15.pdf EDIT - I've just watched the video ( having not done so in the first instance ) and now realise that Ben has already mentioned this and I've just wasted my time
I'm with you mainly on this Aqua. For me the shirts look fine, they look like Hoops as usual, and I don't see that the Hoops not all going the whole circle is something to bother about! There are far more important things going on, even just at QPR.
Cardiff fans all kicked off about what happened and it's pretty much all changed back now! How much has Southamptons identity actually changed? We've basically been rebranded as super stripes and fed a load of bull about why by the club, if the club lying to the fans to appease a kit manufacture isn't enough to bother you then you're a very laid back person!
Laid back yes, as in I tend to prioritise what upsets me. The QPR kit and whether someone is lying about it or not is nowhere near a priority for me to get bothered about, in fact it doesn't even make my list. Much more important things in life to get bothered about. You must lead a very blessed life if this is the only thing that tugs your strings!!!!! Hilarious the pettiness of some can be!
Have to agree with you on this sb. Why aren't people whining that they want green hoops if they want to be historically correct?
I think every single one of us cares about what happens on the pitch & we could argue forever if it is the style of play or results that are od more importance. What you appear to have not grasped (IMO) is the fact that once again the club has "misled" the supporters. When they stated last year that this season we would have hoops, EVERYBODY assumed that this would mean full rounded hoops. This was intentional by the club & if it was not what they intended they should have made that clear. They then spin a story about that they were enforced to have the back of the shirts as they will be because of the rules of the Premier League. Again, this may have some substance IF they had stated that the regulation recommended had not become part of the laws of that league or of the football League & they had made a mistake in agreeing the design to soon. I'm sorry to say that this is just one more of the many statements that Fernandes has made & then failed to deliver. Perhaps if he discussed subjects with other club officials before his declarations, he would then not be judged on how many times he has failed to deliver his pledge. Are the shirts really important? Possibly not. But then why fail to deliver your promise? Is the badge really important? Possibly not. But then why fail to deliver uyour promise? Has he learnt from his mistakes as he often tells us? Is that more important than the shirts? Possibly, but not if he continues to ignore a fair proportion of the supporters. Not giving the promised refund on season tickets after he purchased the club. Is that important? I had already purchased my ST & so I could live without a partial refund. What I found unforgiveable from the club was for it's "owner" to promise a refund without consulting the financial position & then change it to vouchers that had to be spent in the club shop before a certain date. THAT IS NOT A REFUND! The club will certainly think that the design of the shirts is important IF they fail to reach their targeted sales. Therefore this is more about the credibility of TF than whether you like or dislike the shirts!
Just going to throw this out there...... Our wonderful 75/76 season.....the team photo pre season had the players in an adidas strip with white sleves, yet we never played in it that season. We started against Liverpool in a kit that had a white neck and 4 or 5 thick blue hoops. Midway through we changed to a kit with a blue neck and 7 or 8 blue hoops....did anyone complain or even notice....off course not because the football we played was all we cared about........ If we play some wonderful football this season will it really matter what kit we are wearing?
I think I was at all the home games that season and many away when I seem to remember us wearing the blue white hoops a lot, but certainly don't remember that Tramore.
I would also ask Tramore - Why do we need a new kit design every season? I know the answer is for marketing & sales reasons. It certainly isn't because the supporters demand to buy a new strip!
The crux of this is the ASSUMED bit. Just because everyone assumes, does not make the club liars or misleading the fans when the assumption is wrong. Anyway, it doesn't matter. No big deal.
