Silent majority finding their voice?

Didn't post last night because I'd regret what I would have put. But, after thinking about it, here goes:

If they love Allam and want him to stay so much, why not have a chant that supports him rather than booing your own fans? Civil war between our own fans in utterly ridiculous and I was livid when I heard it. NO it's not because we can't accept an alternative view, it's the fact that it's a completely unnecessary way to voice your support.

The chant of, "Where were you when we were ****!?" was enjoyable to see the look of realisation on their faces. It's ironic that a stand which contributes sweet **** All to atmosphere and never has done, mustered up justification to boo a chant which has been around before many of us, and certainly well before Allam was involved with our beloved Club. As Ehab himself has said; he doesn't mind that chant as it adds to atmosphere. It's simple chants that show our protest to his idea, nothing more, nothing to distract the team, nothing to make things more complicated than they should be.

If these boo boys want to voice their opinion, stand up off your ****ing arses for once and try singing a chant in support. That single act (booing) is a lot worse and is doing a lot more damage than anybody thinks the CTWD campaign is.

****ing unbelievable.

renegadetiger said:

You obviously haven't bothered following previous statements from CTWD.

I expect a reasoned and rational response as always.

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Blah blah blah

Apologies for not taking everything as seriously as you - read them all word for word and of course I don't think a CTWD statement would include a line like that....Jesus Christ.

tigerrev said:

But what are they going to do as a minority splinter group? Up until last night I thought CTWD had broad support for the things they stand for. To get those alienated fans back on board CTWD need to develop some kind of charm offensive -if that's the right term - because they have the moral argument. It seems somehow the message isn't getting across and maybe some of the booers think CTWD are just a bunch of trouble makers? I might be wrong but I am not sure that too many of the booers will be interested in sites like this one or social media in general. Therefore CTWD need to find another way to get their message "out there."

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Everyone knows they are a vague collection of those who don't want the name changing, with a leadership aimed at being appeasing and cooperative.

It's been like that for over a year, I don't see what more they can do with that aim? Just a continued public show of vague resistance to the name change. They have continually repeated their support for Allam, just anti-name change.

If CTWD actually went anti-Allam, there could be a firm organisation against him. Maybe we would have success and drive Allam out. Maybe not. But at least there would be a concentrated support against Allam, and for Hull City (which I think would be good in itself, but would be a good place to go for everybody disillusioned with the club, and who knows what that could lead to).

I'm talking about being Anti-Allam not just because of the name change. The name-change is the obvious example, but the writing was on the wall way back since the treatment of Barmby. Add the stadium fiasco. Allam shows a general contempt for fans. CTWD did a great job at opposing the name change bid last season, but Allam is just going to continue trying to change the name - and whatever else he fancies doing, regardless of fan opinion, sentiment or just plain common sense.

Let’s Ben Arfa’n You;7073796 said:

Didn't post last night because I'd regret what I would have put. But, after thinking about it, here goes:

If they love Allam and want him to stay so much, why not have a chant that supports him rather than booing your own fans? Civil war between our own fans in utterly ridiculous and I was livid when I heard it. NO it's not because we can't accept an alternative view, it's the fact that it's a completely unnecessary way to voice your support.

The chant of, "Where were you when we were ****!?" was enjoyable to see the look of realisation on their faces. It's ironic that a stand which contributes sweet **** All to atmosphere and never has done, mustered up justification to boo a chant which has been around before many of us, and certainly well before Allam was involved with our beloved Club. As Ehab himself has said; he doesn't mind that chant as it adds to atmosphere. It's simple chants that show our protest to his idea, nothing more, nothing to distract the team, nothing to make things more complicated than they should be.

If these boo boys want to voice their opinion, stand up off your ****ing arses for once and try singing a chant in support. That single act (booing) is a lot worse and is doing a lot more damage than anybody thinks the CTWD campaign is.

****ing unbelievable.

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This - the booing was cringey regardless of reasoning behind it. If they have a voice that they want to be heard an alternative chant is the best way of doing it.....doubt it'll happen though?

Maybe CTWD could include an anti CTWD chant in thier statement as a gift to the oppo's that'll add extra irony to any anti CTWD chant and add CTWD's cause to their opposition.....

Let’s Ben Arfa’n You;7073796 said:

Didn't post last night because I'd regret what I would have put. But, after thinking about it, here goes:

If they love Allam and want him to stay so much, why not have a chant that supports him rather than booing your own fans? Civil war between our own fans in utterly ridiculous and I was livid when I heard it. NO it's not because we can't accept an alternative view, it's the fact that it's a completely unnecessary way to voice your support.

The chant of, "Where were you when we were ****!?" was enjoyable to see the look of realisation on their faces. It's ironic that a stand which contributes sweet **** All to atmosphere and never has done, mustered up justification to boo a chant which has been around before many of us, and certainly well before Allam was involved with our beloved Club. As Ehab himself has said; he doesn't mind that chant as it adds to atmosphere. It's simple chants that show our protest to his idea, nothing more, nothing to distract the team, nothing to make things more complicated than they should be.

If these boo boys want to voice their opinion, stand up off your ****ing arses for once and try singing a chant in support. That single act (booing) is a lot worse and is doing a lot more damage than anybody thinks the CTWD campaign is.

****ing unbelievable.

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Well said, Sir! However I sit (usually) in the West Stand, and try to sing to my heart's content (sound like one of the tits off the X-Factor, but oh well!)

Let’s Ben Arfa’n You;7073796 said:

Didn't post last night because I'd regret what I would have put. But, after thinking about it, here goes:

If they love Allam and want him to stay so much, why not have a chant that supports him rather than booing your own fans? Civil war between our own fans in utterly ridiculous and I was livid when I heard it. NO it's not because we can't accept an alternative view, it's the fact that it's a completely unnecessary way to voice your support.

The chant of, "Where were you when we were ****!?" was enjoyable to see the look of realisation on their faces. It's ironic that a stand which contributes sweet **** All to atmosphere and never has done, mustered up justification to boo a chant which has been around before many of us, and certainly well before Allam was involved with our beloved Club. As Ehab himself has said; he doesn't mind that chant as it adds to atmosphere. It's simple chants that show our protest to his idea, nothing more, nothing to distract the team, nothing to make things more complicated than they should be.

If these boo boys want to voice their opinion, stand up off your ****ing arses for once and try singing a chant in support. That single act (booing) is a lot worse and is doing a lot more damage than anybody thinks the CTWD campaign is.

****ing unbelievable.

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I defend the right of those who sing "City till I die" as much as you - I still want to know from any member of CTWD why we no longer chant / sing "the TIGERS!" as we have done ever since I can remember and started supporting City back in the 1970's. Has AA got us so scared that we no longer sing of our own nickname? Sad to say but it wasn't just the west stand that was booing last night. The boos came from South and East stands as well.

Leeds Met HCAFC Supporter said:

Well said, Sir! However I sit (usually) in the West Stand, and try to sing to my heart's content (sound like one of the tits off the X-Factor, but oh well!)

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That post is not aimed at you then my friend.

tigerrev said:

I defend the right of those who sing "City till I die" as much as you - I still want to know from any member of CTWD why we no longer chant / sing "the TIGERS!" as we have done ever since I can remember and started supporting City back in the 1970's. Has AA got us so scared that we no longer sing of our own nickname? Sad to say but it wasn't just the west stand that was booing last night. The boos came from South and East stands as well.

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The bulk of the boos were the West Stand though. I had a mate in the East Stand who said those who booed got grief from most fans around them.

Gawge said:

Everyone knows they are a vague collection of those who don't want the name changing, with a leadership aimed at being appeasing and cooperative.

It's been like that for over a year, I don't see what more they can do with that aim? Just a continued public show of vague resistance to the name change. They have continually repeated their support for Allam, just anti-name change.

If CTWD actually went anti-Allam, there could be a firm organisation against him. Maybe we would have success and drive Allam out. Maybe not. But at least there would be a concentrated support against Allam, and for Hull City (which I think would be good in itself, but would be a good place to go for everybody disillusioned with the club, and who knows what that could lead to).

I'm talking about being Anti-Allam not just because of the name change. The name-change is the obvious example, but the writing was on the wall way back since the treatment of Barmby. Add the stadium fiasco. Allam shows a general contempt for fans. CTWD did a great job at opposing the name change bid last season, but Allam is just going to continue trying to change the name - and whatever else he fancies doing, regardless of fan opinion, sentiment or just plain common sense.

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You make some valid points and you had me up to the point of "Barmby." Nick Barmby was a fantastic player and servant of the club. However, I thought he was an average manager at best. Seemed he had his favorites and if your face didn't fit you didn't get a look in at the first team. He seemed to fall out with too many players and flogged the same 15 or 16 to death by expecting them to perform well every match.

Your summarizing of Allam however is spot on.

tigerrev said:

You make some valid points and you had me up to the point of "Barmby." Nick Barmby was a fantastic player and servant of the club. However, I thought he was an average manager at best. Seemed he had his favorites and if your face didn't fit you didn't get a look in at the first team. He seemed to fall out with too many players and flogged the same 15 or 16 to death by expecting them to perform well every match.

Your summarizing of Allam however is spot on.

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I know there is some contestation about the Barmby thing, and discussion about it is probably best left alone. I was just showing some of the more obvious examples (because whatever you thought of Barmby as a manager, i'm sure the general consensus was that it was pretty cold how he was dumped).

Actually, all the examples are quite sore issues, just goes to show the kind of problems Allam creates.

tigerrev said:

I defend the right of those who sing "City till I die" as much as you - I still want to know from any member of CTWD why we no longer chant / sing "the TIGERS!" as we have done ever since I can remember and started supporting City back in the 1970's. Has AA got us so scared that we no longer sing of our own nickname? Sad to say but it wasn't just the west stand that was booing last night. The boos came from South and East stands as well.

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Because those that sing don't want to is the simple answer. Nothing to do with CTWD but just a general reluctance to give any credence to Hull Tigers. A sorry state of affairs, yes, but understandable given the attitude of Assem Allam.

I still sing The Tigers at the end of Wise Men but I'm in a minority. There was nothing to stop those booing singing The Tigers at the end of Wise Men, but they don't/didn't.

I wonder if CTWD had been born and opposed the proposed move to Melton, would we be fighting against a move to Melton right now as "no one tells me how to run my business"?

I am 99% certain that would be the case. The only reason Allam is carrying on us brcause he has to have the last laugh, people stood in his way and he didn't like it.

Just imagine the predicament Hull City would find themselves in if Allam managed to get the freehold of the KC stadium. Dear god that's a scary thought...

originallambrettaman said:

The name change campaign finished in April, in case people haven't noticed, CTWD haven't been campaigning since then, as we believe it's over. The Allam's are apparently launching an appeal, but CTWD believe it has almost no chance of success and as it's a procedural FA appeal and won't revisit any of the submissions, we will not be involved and as a consequence, further campaigning would be pointless. We are Hull City and we will remain Hull City.

CTWD have never been anti-Allam and have no interest in being involved in an Allam Out campaign, it would be an un-winnable campaign anyway, he has far too much support.

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I'm with CTWD on the name-change thing, they have done the job. But the "CTWD" entity still has a lot of influence, still badges on show etc...

I just think it might be worth showing resistance. I know it isn't 'winnable'. I know it would be a pretty small minority, and it would be met with boo-like hostility. But, there are a significant amount of people fed up with Allam's frequent problem-causing. How long before the next press conference?

busdriver said:

Its nothing new. The Action Group were ridiculed and our own supporters tried to stop the coffin march. That was at a time when the club were a shambles and in free fall. Thousands had simply stopped attending matches and the few that remained loyal and tried to do something to stop the club rot were physically attacked by the remaining few who thought the Action Group were responsible for the club's demise!
This split needs sorting quickly because if it is allowed to fester it will ruin the season. It wont take much for everything to go pear shaped. There are enough **** stirrers out there praying that everything that is Hull City goes tits up and they will capitalise on this split.
It's hard enough at this level to survive without a civil war breaking out amongst our own fans.

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Excellent point.

Well well. So finally the silent majority (something denied as existing on this forum) finally have had enough.

So we see the true colours yet again of our noisy minority. Insults and sneering and throwing blame at everyone else.

You could only poke the Tiger for so long before it got pissed off at you and reacted. You've been asking for a reaction for so long and I knew if you got it, you'd react like children. Well done.

I'd rather not have booing but I'd much rather not be bullied or insulted by other fans too.

HCAFC (Airlie Tiger) said:

How can those pro-Allam supporters expect to be taken seriously when they have remained silent for over a year and then when they finally made their voices heard they are responsible for one of the most shameful and disgusting events in our clubs history.

Why have you been so passive in all of this? You could have your own supporters group, your own chants but instead you have sat and watched as other fans have controlled the fate of your own club, you've let yourselves down, not because you failed but because you couldn't be bothered to try in the first place.

If you want to misdirect your anger at a group of fans that cared enough to make their voices heard then that's up to you, just keep it out of the stadium, its not welcome.

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Another very good point.

I was happier they booed in the West corner than threw their celery and hummus at me.

#Messy
#Garlic

Let’s Ben Arfa’n You;7073843 said:

That post is not aimed at you then my friend.


The bulk of the boos were the West Stand though. I had a mate in the East Stand who said those who booed got grief from most fans around them.

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It wouldn't surprise me that most came from the West. I've taken the Mrs' 10 year old sister to two games now, one in the North Stand (where all of the E1 - E3 folk used to be) and one in the NW corner, and she said she preferred the North just simply because there was a lot of excitement in the air!

I've said this for a months - The Prawn Sandwich Brigade will increase with Premier League games, as they want to be seen with the "in-crowd." Would they have been there in 00/01 when the club was minutes away from expulsion/liquidation - would they **** (pardon the French).

It's a shame that we can't get all sides of the ground rocking on match days, and some people still have to stare daggers at folk who want to sing/shout Steve Bruce's name to high heaven instead of just clap. I reckon the atmosphere on Saturday and Wednesday will be completely different, just have that funny feeling.

As I said earlier, seeing the togetherness between fans and players with the Manchester City team this morning before they jetted off to Munich was just... completely different. They have a billionaire chairman who is doing the right thing, and preserving the heritage of the club whilst moving it forward - and the players seem to appreciate the history and fans of the club. With us it's bedlam sometimes, which considering where we were is a real shame!

And I know it wasn't at me, Sir, dont worry . A few of us do try and make the West Stand fun, but quickly get shot down by the daggers of those who spectate, and don't support.

Happy Tiger said:

Well well. So finally the silent majority (something denied as existing on this forum) finally have had enough.

So we see the true colours yet again of our noisy minority. Insults and sneering and throwing blame at everyone else.

You could only poke the Tiger for so long before it got pissed off at you and reacted. You've been asking for a reaction for so long and I knew if you got it, you'd react like children. Well done.

I'd rather not have booing but I'd much rather not be bullied or insulted by other fans too.

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There were around 20,000 City fans there last night.

If the silent "majority" have spoken, can we safely assume over 10,000 people booed? That appears to be your assertion. Unless you've redefined what a majority is.

Happy Tiger said:

Well well. So finally the silent majority (something denied as existing on this forum) finally have had enough.

So we see the true colours yet again of our noisy minority. Insults and sneering and throwing blame at everyone else.

You could only poke the Tiger for so long before it got pissed off at you and reacted. You've been asking for a reaction for so long and I knew if you got it, you'd react like children. Well done.

I'd rather not have booing but I'd much rather not be bullied or insulted by other fans too.

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The 'insulting' isn't in the Stadium, it's more debate and it's usually on these forums and over a drink at the pub. "City Till I Die" isn't an insult. It wasn't an insult 10 years ago, it's not an insult now. Booing is completely ridiculous and the completely wrong way to have a so called 'reaction' and you know it. Why not sing, "We say yes Allam" or something along those lines. You know, actually contributing to atmosphere as our chants do.

This is the first reaction of this so called 'majority' and it's definitely not a good start. CTWD and it's members have conducted themselves in a good manner considering the circumstances and the provocations from Allam himself. The statements have always been top notch and the demands not unrealistic. This silent majority's first move is to boo their own fans?

Ridiculous. I think we know who looks worse to the non-City supporters.